Brian Flores to sue the Giants over hiring process?

Of course he’s going to call it a bribe, but it doesn’t make it so. And using funds from the team to start a gambling operation isn’t a legal conflict. What if a team won the Super Bowl and invested in gambling? That would be okay but for the team trying to lose it wouldn’t be.

It’s the lawyers job to frame everything to their benefit but so far this claim fails under any rational scrutiny.

 

NFL hates going to court. He might just get an undisclosed payout.

 

We'll see.

You could argue that paying a coach a bonus to lose isn't much different than paying a QB a bonus to throw an interception in a key spot. Whether illegal or not, this kind of blatant tanking is offensive. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the upshots of this whole mess will be the NFL going to a draft lottery.

 

But you can’t pay a coach to lose because the coach is not on the field; the coach could make decisions, play calls, substitutions he may not have otherwise and can still win because the 30 players on the field perform greater than he expected. That’s different than something a single individual can control — throwing the ball to the defense intentionally.

and how far do you want to go with that. If you pay a GM a bonus to cut salary, which inherently weakens the team and leads to losses, because you want to lose, is that bribery? Same thing — pay to achieve the end result of losing. So we think the government really wants to call that a bribe?

 

If Flores was paid to lose games, he did a shitty job. He won 5 games in his first year and that team was awful. The next 2 years he had winning records and from what I saw it looked like he was trying to win every game, including pulling an ineffective Tua during games and replacing him with Fitzpatrick.

 

If Stephen Ross really did try to bribe Flores into throwing games, then the Dolphins must be inflicted with the harshest punishment I can imagine- being forced to rehire Adam Gase as Head Coach and being unable to fire him for five years.

 

So, let's assume what Flores is accusing Ross of is true, why wouldn't he step down immediately? That would seem to create an incompatible work environment for me that the owner of the franchise who I work for wants me to fail on purpose. Would it make Flores look bad quitting year 1 of his first HC gig? Probably, but the truth would eventually come out and exonerate him. All I know is, Flores better have the receipts for such an accusation...

 

Another head coaching job may be the only thing that begins to fix this.

There's gonna be massive fines at the very least... mayne even force an owner out.

I wonder if Donald Sterling is interested in buying the Dolphins...

 

I'm not sure how technically legally true that is or isn't (technically that is) but I am pretty sympathetic here personally. From the evidence we have at the moment Flores has definitely been issued a ration of shit from multiple angles lately. From the Dolphins in multiple ways, the Rooney rule, lack of respect from the Broncos (if that is actually true) and who knows what else.

If I was random NFL franchise X I never would have even considered giving Kaepernick a job. I would absolutely consider giving Flores a job if I felt he was the best candidate for either HC or coordinator.

 

A very corrupt game, also plenty of it in Snooker.

 

Anyway to implicate Woody?

 

I guess the crux of this whole thing is how will Flores prove it was racism that kept him from getting a job?

I would imagine teams interview guys all the time after they already know who they want, if for nothing more than to convince themselves they covered all bases. Daboll especially has been one of the hottest candidates for 2 years now. He's not some random no-name candidate who came out of nowhere to steal a job from a deserving guy.

I think it's even questionable that the Giants violated the Rooney rule since the Daboll hire wasn't officially official when Belichick accidentally texted Flores.

To me the biggest aspect of this is the alleged pay to lose scheme. Not that I have a moral problem with it to be honest, I wish the Jets would've done that to get Lawrence, but it's clearly an extremely anti-competitive action that's pretty bad for the league if true.

 

I hope we all agree after this, that the Rooney rule is dumb. It was created by leftist socialists to engineer more minorities into coaching. Yet I find it humorous that the same people now claim it is a racist policy. Then there is the idea of awarding teams with incentives to hire minorities. Again here we are talking about racial equity and fairness, but we want to use racism to actually remedy the so-called problem.

Common sense dictates that people of color may be overlooked because of social-economic status when it comes to hiring in front-office positions. We all know that it is human nature to be comfortable with people of similar backgrounds. We see this in the present workforce under the category of networking. However, we also do see something called higher education or training being some standard used also for entry-level positions. If you are African American and you graduate #1 in your class from MIT, I am pretty sure you will not have any problems with getting a job. So common sense dictates that employers, in general, do award skill level when it is perceived.

If it is true that 70% of the players in the NFL are African American, more than the actual population, are we to believe the same people that make these hiring decisions are all of a sudden racist when it comes to hiring front office positions? If I argued that the majority of NFL players being African American was a racist policy, I would be laughed at, and rightfully so. Common sense dictates that they gained these positions because truthfully speaking, they were more qualified?

So if we can be intellectually honest and try to answer the question of why African Americans are not being hired in front office positions, maybe the solution to the problem would be more apparent. To say racism is the problem is intellectually lazy and that is what the left suffers from. The right on the other hand doesn't care at all, so they are just as bad as the left in my humble opinion.

The skills necessary to play football are not considered a perceived problem by NFL front offices when it comes to African American players. Again this is clearly demonstrated with 70% of NFL players being African American. However, when it comes to actual coaching or front office positions, we are not seeing this. Based on 2020 numbers, 12.4% of the population is African American. If we take 12.4% and multiply by 32 head coaching positions, it suggests on average we should see 4 African American head coaches. Ah but the Stephen A. Smith of the world would argue that we should see 70% or 22 head coaches.

Being a former NFL player is a beneficial trait in being an NFL coach or front office person. However, we see many of these folks like Bill Belichick without this trait become successful. Hence I would argue Stephen A. Smith's argument is bogus and racially motivated.

I think if you look at the problem hard enough, the obvious answer is African Americans in general are less educated. There are plenty of statistics that point this out. Trying to address this issue is the real cure for the hiring of African Americans in coaching and front offices.

A better solution to address this inequity concern is for the NFL to actually set up a football school where any person of any race can attend. You could actually have different degrees in various coaching categories with actual tests being given. The NFL should also reconsider re-educating both African American and White NFL players (for free) because we all know many of them did not receive a full college or high school education. Even after attending such a school, they may find they are actually better suited to work outside the NFL also.

The reason why Brian Flores was even chosen by Bill Belichick to be part of his coaching staff to begin was twofold. One he had a great career at Boston College as a linebacker. Due to injury, he did not play in the NFL. So I guess by Stephen A, Smith's dumb assertion being an NFL player again is disproven. Hence he obviously had some knowledge of the game. The second reason was Brian Flores was well educated. He attended a private prep school and was academically no dummy at Boston College. Belichick obviously felt comfortable taking Flores under his wing because of his education level also. Brian Flores was perceived by Belichick to be intelligent enough to grasp intellectually coaching concepts. A classic example of perceived education matters.

Owners and folks in front office positions tend to be educated, so would it not make sense they would also seek folks of similar backgrounds? Lawrence Taylor was a great Linebacker, but would owners and front office folks feel comfortable with his lack of education?

I am not saying my point is absolute and solves the problem 100%. But I would argue that if you increase the education level of potential African American coaching prospects, I think you would see a higher rate of African American coaches and front office personnel. If we look at the present and past African American coaches, do we not see a trend of well-educated men generally speaking?

 

I agree with his sincerity it this matter. It wouldn’t surprise me if he gets another job, and some financial concern.

This could get ugly rather quickly.

 

what in the fuck

 

Possibly but I listened to Flores talk and he seems like he's prepared to see this one through. I would be disappointed if he takes a settlement and drops it

 

Agreed. Put yourself in his shoes, he started coaching as a low level assistant at 23 years old. He worked his way up, of course he takes his job and the game seriously.

Then he finally gets a head job and the douchebag billionaire owner tells him he's only here to put a nice face on losing for a little bit so they can get a new QB & undoubtedly a different coach. "Be the lovable losers with the 'progressive' black coach for us"...

what a slap in the face.

 

I think he was pissed (Rightfully so) because the Giants already made up their minds but had to go through the charade of interviewing Flores. He was interviewing with zero chance of getting the job, which is pretty shitty.