When I watched Allen in college I was in shock as to how he was a top prospect. It was also my first time watching Wyoming. I’ve since went back over the past couple years and watched them and that place is an absolute disaster to try to pass the ball in with the open end zones while sitting the stadium was built dead in the middle of the open plains. Accuracy isn’t just about throwing the ball with a clean pocket. It takes into account throwing with muck in the pocket while trying to understand what you’re seeing pre and post snap. I’m sure he’s more accurate than what he’s shown but as you said, he is not processing things fast enough so his mechanics are falling apart and he’s aiming the ball badly because the game is too fast.
It doesn’t matter. Your statement was below and is absurd given what we’ve seen Allen do. You didn’t say first six games, you didn’t say college. And none of that really matters because Allen is an anomaly that’s succeeded.
I read this earlie CC after reading your reply earlier I just made time to go back and watched this play multiple times to see if maybe I was too harsh on it. I stand by my original assessment. I'm not saying your wrong that Griffin didn't have both hands on it but it was not only late but in the dirt. I couldn't tell if it was even possible for him to have caught it or if it would have short hopped but either way.... If Zach could have gotten it there anywhere between 1 and 8 feet higher than he did Griffin would have sucked it up for a nice TD. It was another miss low and Zach has had a boat load of those this season. Its also not fully true that he was running to his left when he threw it. He was in a sense but he was hardly at a full gallop. By NFL QB standards he had plenty of opportunity to load up and throw a strike there. I don't mean to make a mountain out of it. Its not like that one play proves Zach is no good or anything. But as you put it the great QBs (and all the good ones too) make that throw plain and simple. And in the NFL that was a TD opportunity and you don't like to see those precious opportunities squandered. Most especially by a guy who you just invested your entire future in for the express reason that he's capable of making throws like that almost 100% of the time. Be interested to hear what others opinions are on that whole sequence.
I think you need to go back and look at the game logs for Josh Allen’s first year … Especially his first 6 games. He was ATROCIOUS. Worse than Zach’s first 6/games. He passed for under 100 yards in three out of the first six games. Then he missed four weeks and came back for the last 6 … and he was ATROCIOUS lite. In his 12 starts, he was able to complete more than 50% of his passes 6 times, which is abysmal. Never had a game all year as good as Zach vs Titans btw. Never came close to 300 yards. Exceeded 220 yards only three times, and had several games where his YPA was comically under 5.0 And now there’s barely a team in the league that wouldn’t take him. Let’s see how Zach finishes the season. And then let’s see what he looks like by the middle of 2022.
On this I agree. But his first 4 games the OL sucked. After sitting out 4 weeks he comes back and the first few pass attempts he gets steamrolled. If you don't account for the effect that has on a QB's accuracy, you're not being honest. No argument he has to figure out how to overcome all that, and as the game wore on he did get better even if it still wasn't great. It's possible that he's been irreparably shellshocked, but that's highly unlikely. It's far more likely that he'll return to his career form as he adapts to the speed of the NFL.
Why do you think the offensive line looked so much better while he was out? The passers understood how to help their offensive line slide the protection, recognize the free rusher and bail enough to air mail the ball out of bounds and check it down quickly when there’s more rushers than there is blockers. Wilson has no feel for that right now because he’s just not seeing what’s shown pre-snap and adjusting after the ball is snapped.
Fair enough. I agree that Zack could have - and should have - made it easier to catch the ball, and also that his accuracy was not acceptable for most of the game.
First of all, it's very rare that a QB improves after his rookie year as much as Josh Allen did. The Josh Rosen outcome is much more common. Second, Zach has a ways to go this season just to get his rookie numbers to match Allen's; Allen played better after his first 6 games, but that doesn't mean Zach will. Third, Allen's rookie passing stats don't tell the whole story because he was a weapon running the ball, which Zach isn't. And fourth, Allen has better physical talent than Zach, which boded well for Allen improving.
The reason "it's very rare that a QB improves after his rookie year as much as Josh Allen did"... because Josh Allen really, really sucked. And the Bills stuck with him because he had talent at the position... and so does Zach Wilson.
You’re not remembering just how bad Allen was in his rookie season. Zach has already played better than he has. Granted … it’s an incredibly low bar to clear … but he has played better. But that’s not even the point. I don’t know if Zach will be a good NFL QB because it’s way too early to tell. But It’s just as silly to make the statement “Zack is probably going to be a bust”. If you take away the Titans game where he played very well, and the Pats game where he played as bad as you’ll ever see, we’re left with 18 quarters of football where he looks like a typical rookie QB learning on the job. A mix of bad throws and decisions, and some good throws and decisions. If you think that’s enough of a sample size to make a prediction of how the rest of his career is likely to go, that’s where we’ll part ways. I’ll need to see about 20 starts before I think I’ve seen enough.
Allen accounted for 10 TDs running + passing to Zachs 6 in his first 6 games and he did it on a team that was 5-1. A lot of Zachs passing yards have come in garbage time because of how big of a hole the team has been in partly due to his bad play. Allen wasn’t elite his first year by any stretch but to say Zach played better is just flat out false. Even the kids biggest supporters need to be real here.
Robby Sabo also pointed out in a few videos where Zach just isn’t anticipating and is just waiting and throwing when he sees a guy open and not throwing a guy open or anticipating and throwing to a spot. This would explain some of the sacks he takes since sometimes you have to wait longer for clear cut open receivers. It seems like he’s a tad gun shy now because of all his early INT numbers or he just doesn’t trust what he is seeing mid play. Hopefully it all comes together at some point.
No disrespect to any of you posters, but I do not care what Allen did or is. I care about a young QB who still seems to have the same issues we saw in the initial games of the season. Beck better get his head screwed on right or nothing will change and frankly hasn't to date. Unfortunately, the fact is this O is less effective and efficient with Wilson running it than the other three QBs.
According to NFL Stats, what I saw was Allen had 5 TDs combined - R/P - in his first 6 games, and 5 INTs. NFL Players | Past & Current NFL Players | NFL.com That's looking at September and October since these charts don't break it down by week. And he had a Comp % of 55%. NFL Players | Past & Current NFL Players | NFL.com So pretty comparable. I don't read or post on Bills forums so IDK what their fans were saying then, but it's clear that the Bills decisions makers didn't give up on Allen then. Anyone who is calling Wilson a bust has another agenda than rooting for the Jets. They just want to be proven right more than they want the team to succeed.
Allen is the exception to the norm. His progression from year 1 to year 3 is unlike anything this league has seen in decades and not likely to be repeated by Zach Wilson. It does offer hope though
Holy Shit some of ya'll are desperate AF. Stop reaching with these Josh Allen comparisons.. Christ. They aren't even built the same, I get wanting to hope, this Is just sad though. Yikes. If you guys would stop with the excuses, accept the shit for what It Is. It would be a lot easier, on a lot of you to process.
The Josh Allen comparisons are just as stupid as those declaring him a bust after 6 games. What we’ve seen is a QB that has looked mostly bad for 6 games. Thankfully for our sake careers are not made in 6 games. He will have plenty of chances to prove his worth.
I think the interesting part here is that the Jets were the only team that went into OTAs and Training Camp w/ the plan that their rookie QB would not only start but that a vet backup was not needed...While the Pats ended up cutting Newton and installing Jones, they decided that after an evaluation period vs. the Jets just deciding ahead of time that no matter what, ZW was the starter. And I'll say that the one team that's making work (and that's an under statement) has maybe the best HC in the history of the sport w/ a tremendous and extremely experienced OC. I wonder if you put truth serum in Saleh and JD, if they regret that decision as it seems like the kid is struggling w/ even the most basic of throws and that's a mental thing, not a physical thing...he wouldn't have been the #2 pick if he was missing some of these throws...and the mental part is probably some combo of poor coaching, being rushed, bad OL play initially along w/ a host of other things...Way too early to condemn the kid, but looking back I'm thinking he was rushed into a spot he wasn't quite ready for/coaching staff couldn't get him ready for...
