Did people think I made that post because I wanted to keep Darnold? I'm not trying to prop Darnold up or cherry pick stats. It doesn't matter what stat you choose, Zach is worse than Sam in all of them. I'm pointing out that currently our QB is even worse than Darnold.
What you say is true but it's also an oversimplification. It's to be expected that a rookie QB won't be as good as a guy in his 4th full season. Wilson also costs about an eighth as much as Darnold will next year. Play doesn't happen in a vacuum. The price of the asset is directly related to its value.
Darnold looks bad WIlson looks bad Fields looks bad Lawrence looks bad Mac Jones looks good worst outcomes imaginable
No it's not. You've already lost any fine combed debate by comparing a 4 yr player to a rookie and saying it's apples to apples.. it's just not.
Except I compared it to his rookie year in the next post. But since you all persist lets take it further. After 6 games Sam had 9 TDs and 7 INTs with an 84% passer rating. After 6 games Zach has 4 TDs and 9 INTs with a 63% passer rating. ANd Sam's #1 and 2 were Anderson and Kearse. The hard truth is Zach has been worse than Darnold so far. (and no, I never wanted to keep Darnold)
You just went from comparing Darnold this year to his rookie year. What you did is the definition of cherry picking. I don't see your post where shifted to Darnolds rookie year... But who cares? Sam is barely better in year 4 than a rookie QB. Who really gives a crap if he was better his first 6 games four years ago with the numbers he is posting now?
Sam is worse in year 4 than he was in year 1. And Zach has been worse than both iterations of Sam. That's the point you keep avoiding. @Jonathan_Vilma, show me the posts where I was very vocal about keeping Sam. I was trade Sam all the way.
I am not avoiding that. I just wrote current Darnold is barely better than current Wilson. You are avoiding, or not putting enough stock into, Wilson is a rookie and Darnold is in his 4th year. This really isn't that complicated.
Mac Jones landed in the best place possible for him - Bama/Patriots are very similar in many ways and Saban and Belicheck run systems that require their Q/B's to do very similar things. I'm sure he wouldn't have played anywhere near as well if we had drafted him.
Glad Sam's gone now. Couldn't watch another jets QB get knocked to the floor by his own lineman. Least he held onto the ball though! Sent from my M2007J20CG using Tapatalk
I'll take a little hit on this one. I was cool with keeping Sam to take the hits that the rookie is taking now. I was also cool with keeping Sam and not drafting QB this year but building up the trenches and having a solid foundation of a team to insert a new QB into down the line. Would it have been more entertaining than what we are watching right now? Maybe not, but it would have been more effective, that I think we're finding out pretty quickly.
While I've always been all for building up the offensive line and such, it's starting to look like you need to build through the skill positions just as much, if not more. Not to say the line should be ignored, but it can be fixed without spending tons of capital. The Bengals are the flavor of the month and all right now but they have one first round pick and a bunch of mid to lower tier offensive line man doing a pretty good job while their skill players dominate.
It all comes down to talent evaluation. If you are good at it, you will bring in good players via the first-round, third-round, free agency, trade... whatever. If you are bad at talent evaluation you will bring in bad players via the first-round, third-round, free agency, trade... whatever. This is a generalisation. Even the best GM will bring in the odd dud, and even the worst will occasionally stumble into an All-Pro. But good players are available all over the place if you know what you're looking for.
sad to think the best Qbs Jets have drafted since Joe Namath are Ken Obrien and Chad Pennington.... and both those guys were not EVEN CLOSE to being elite... at their best, above average
O'brien had a terrible O line (sound familiar?). They still should have gone to SB in '86... Stupid penalty cost them against brownies. Chad was a very good QB but injuries ruined his career. He had a noodle arm but dinking and dunking worked out pretty well for Tom Shady..
