I said it from day one, Meyer will not last in this league. There are guys that are just built for college, Nick Saban is a perfect example of that. It was a stupid ass hire from the beginning for Jacksonville. I HATED the potential of him landing with this team and I am thrilled that we ended up with Saleh. You got Meyer with his hands up a random girls ass and the Jaguars owner saying he has lost credibility with the team. And then you have our dumbass owner hugging Saleh in the locker room celebrating his first win as a head coach. Pretty stark difference between the two. Meyer may never win an NFL game in his career when it is over in a few weeks LOL
Well, let's see, we had the Reggie Bush thing, the suck for Luck thing, the suck for Sam thing, the tank for Trevor thing. Am I leaving anything out?
I just re-watched Meyer's post-game presser. The press has cast Meyer as "downtrodden" during the presser. That's not the right adjective. Sure, anyone would be sad, but Meyer acted like he was on something. He couldn't remember whether they had any turnovers, and so he had to ask someone standing next to him. And when asked what halftime adjustments they made on the pass rush, he couldn't remember. An NFL head coach doesn't forget whether they had turnovers in a game that happened that day, and he doesn't forget what halftime adjustments they made on defense. At the end of a game, Zach Wilson (and, I suspect, Trevor Lawrence) and any NFL QB or Head Coach can tell you what the coverage was on any given play; they don't forget whether they had turnovers or made halftime adjustments. Meyer's brain isn't functioning right. Whether that's a substance abuse issue, mental health issues, or something else, I don't know, but this was more than just guy having an off day. And then he skips the plane ride home with his team. Sooo, why does he do that? "Hmm, I have a wife and kids waiting at home for me, and the team really needs me on that plane calming them down right now after going 0-4 and having a heartbreaking loss at the end of regulation, but instead I'm going to stay in Cincinnati so I can ......." How does one finish that sentence? He knew exactly what he was going to do. Whether that sentence ends, "tie one on," "hit that blonde I met at the bar last night," or something else, I don't know. But a rookie NFL head coach doesn't just decide to go see the sights in Ohio when his team is reeling from a close loss to go 0-4. Something serious is going on with this guy. Much deeper than just a momentary lapse in judgment. Whatever the problems are, they are the kinds of problems that spiral. The Jets missed a bullet with this one.
I'll tell you what @NCJetsfan. You and I are in broad agreement about a lot of Jets matters. I didn't think we may be better off with the #2 pick, but we just might. No question with the coaches though. I like Salah a lot. We may finally be onto a good thing. A hypothetical question but I'm sticking with the choices we have made. I've been a Jet for the last 35 years and it sure as shit ain't stopping now.
I think Trevor has a higher floor, but Zack has a higher ceiling. Personally, I'd rather have the guy with the higher ceiling, so I agree with you.
I don't know who will turn out better but I was really impressed with Trevor's altheticisim against the Bengals. I thought he played a really good game. I hope Zach, Trevor, Fields and Lance all do well. The only one I am rooting against is Jones.
I'd rather have the guy with the higher ceiling as well, but I don't think Zach has a lower floor than Lawrence. I've never been so sure that a player will succeed. IMO it's just a matter of time and experience, good coaching and help around him. I think when all is said and done he will re-write the Jets' record book, perhaps set some NFL records and will wind up in the HOF.
I have very high hopes for Zack as well. I was comparing Trevor vs Zack pre-draft. Given Trevor's top performances against top teams for 3 years vs Zack's really good 1 year performance, I think you'd have to say that Trevor had the higher floor (because he'd been playing at a high level against top competition for longer). However, the one thing you can never really tell with college QBs is will they develop the ability to quickly read an NFL defense and make the quick decisions necessary for success in the NFL - so, from that perspective drafting a QB high is almost always a crap shoot to some extent. Good coaching and a good supporting cast is vital to the development of a young QB, but I think it also requires a certain innate ability to make good quick decisions and, while those things can help a player who has the innate ability, if a player doesn't have it, I don't think good coaching will fix this problem. I wonder what Sam would have done if he had a much better supporting cast (especially Oline, but also if most of his receivers weren't JAGs) and far better coaching than he got from Gase. Could he have been our franchise QB? I think Zack can be better than Sam would have been, but its really a crime how we handled Sam. We should never have been in a position after 3 years that we still didn't know whether he could be a franchise QB or not. He was on some truly god-awful teams with no support and terrible coaching.
I can understand why you think Lawrence has a higher floor, but I see it a little differently, or put priority on other things beside level of competition. The other thing is that Lawrence was surrounded by NFLer and near NFLers on one of the 3 most-talented teams in the country. Zach was not so fortunate. He lifted the play of his teammates. Lawrence won a championship as a freshman, but didn't when he was older. He couldn't lift the play of his teammates, and didn't come up big last year. Zach worked hard, overcame injuries and got better and better. Lawrence has an edge in that he's used to playing against a higher level of competition, being sent to high profile QB camps when he was growing up, and he's more athletic than Zach. IMO Zach has more arm talent, loves the game, is a harder worker and a burning desire to be great. Whereas Lawrence, according to his own father, could just walk away from the game with no regrets. I don't recall ever hearing anyone talk about Lawrence being such a hard worker, spending hours watching film, etc. That said, I don't think the floor is a worry or consideration with Zach. If he doesn't become a top QB in the NFL, I will be totally shocked. The draft is definitely a crap shoot. Injuries, getting drafted by the wrong team (poor coaching, wrong system, bad OL, no talent around the QB) can all undermine a QB's confidence and career.
to make it worse it came out that he lied to the team and told them he was staying to spend some time with his grandchildren, then he got caught out at a bar. what an idiot.
You know he may have spent time with his grandchildren and then went to the bar after they had gone to bed... and not lied after all? Shock horror.
Unless Urban comes with Mahomes then I'll stick with the Saleh + whoever program we have going, wherever that ends up.
