Here's my take on Maye...He's a solid to good player (not a good to great one) who plays a non-premium position. I'm all for him trying to get everyone last dollar he thinks he's worth, especially in the NFL, swing the hammer when you can as the team will drop a diminishing/injured player like a hot rock whenever they can. So guessing he's asking for more than his skill level is worth and possibly more than his position value would suggest...just guessing mind you... For JD, he's evaluating Maye in a vacuum. Solid to good player, playing a non-premium position = don't overpay and possibly try to slightly underpay to get good value and hope the player chooses continuity in life vs. change which can always be risky. For the fans, they look at a solid to good player, good guy w/ leadership qualities and look for the Jets to value those qualities in addition to thinking "man, he's like one of the only talented players we have, can't keep letting these guys go" Leading to the real issue, the Jets talent level...On a normal team w/ avg to above avg talent, Maye's probably your 9th or 10th best player but on the Jets (depleted of talent) he's like #3. On a normal team, due to his skill level, age, position, the normies would say, we're going to pay players 1 - 8 and take our chances on finding replaceable younger talent to play this non-premium position. The Jets don't have players 1-8 to pay so we say, you have the money, pay the man. But the reality is, while players like Maye help you to win eventually, Maye himself won't likely be in position to help this jets team win due to his age/likely salary demands/actual talent level. This has trade written all over it as there's zero need to overpay for him, essentially because he's one of our best players and really shouldn't be if we were a normal team w/ normal talent. So while I'd like to see him here, it has to be for a reasonable price if not, taking off my emotional Jets hat, have to trade him and see if we can take that draft pick/saved money and improve the team it a better more efficient way...if we can't, then we likely won't be winning anytime soon anyway
Agree with a lot of this, and here’s my point you’re right…Maye himself may not make a difference between 6 wins vs. 4 wins. But the problem is that this kind of thinking just compounds on itself leading to an always ongoing rebuild. You can’t build if you’re constantly changing out each player because he’s not an All Pro Hall of Fame type guy. So letting him go just creates another hole that doesn’t exist now and uses up either another draft pick next year or even worse, free agent dollars next year, to fill a hole that we just created. Makes NO sense…not when we already have SO many holes to fill, like Edge, OL, TE, LB, CB, shit maybe even WR the way these clowns are playing. But sure, let’s not sign one of our better players because he’s not All World, and add his position to the long list of holes to fill. We have been great at the Tear Down part of the process. Shit, even a moron like Idzik got that part right. Tearing shit down is easy. Cut everyone…resign no one because they are not All Pros. it’s the actual building part that we’ve just failed miserably, and as much as I hate to say it, that goes for JD so far also. He’s turned over like the entire OL in two years and guess what…it STILL sucks absolute balls. seriously..I HATE this line of thinking. Well, he’s not the top three at his position. Well, he’s old so by the time we’re contending, he’ll be done. It’s asinine. If you only resign pro bowlers your cap will be unworkable. It’s not a feasible strategy. I would argue at this point that since we just reset the QB contract, we now have the cap space to sign a guy here and there. at some point, if you want to change the culture and make this a place where players will want to come, you can’t treat your good homegrown players like shit. Will we maybe overpay a bit? Yeah, maybe. No one is saying make him the highest paid safety in the league, but I just can’t believe there’s not a deal there to be made. at some point, you actually have to start the BUILDING part of the Tear Down and Rebuild process
The Jets have a long history of holding on to mediocre talent and getting rid of those with talent or promise resulting in turnover of performers and maintaining the status quo of losing. How's that working out? Sooner or later, during another show of "rebuilding" they need to build a foundation of stability and performance to actually become winners. Constantly having the better players go through the recycler every year is no way to build a team.
vikings did it perfectly. traded away diggs saving a ton of cap space and used the pick for jefferson who is just as good and much cheaper. used the cap space to keep other good players like cook and cousins and theilan.
Not judging the past - I’m talking overall strategy. If he’s looking to be paid as a Top 5 safety and isn’t, how would that help the rebuild?
Nobody gets what they are looking for; finding the balance is why the GM gets paid the big bucks - and also cuts his workload. Do you think there may be a problem with only resigning those guys who don't ask for much because they know they don't deserve much?
It seemed like to me that he did want to resign Maye to a reasonable contract before giving him the franchise tag. We don’t know why that didn’t get done, was it because JD didn’t want to pay him like the above average S he is or because Maye & his camp wanted a Justin Simmons like contract, which IMO would be crazy. Care to elaborate on JD botching every resigning? Most agree he botched the Robby Anderson resigning, he even admitted he did. Can’t really think of any others? We’ll see with Q.Williams if your last statement has any truth to it as he is really the only one from previous GM that should be a core part of this rebuild.
Actually, we haven't been following that strategy except with our own players. We have been way overpaying FAs to come here. Both have hurt us.
so I don’t see anyone saying we should “sign everyone now” my point was that this particular player is deserving of a second contract. Not “the highest paid safety in the league”, but a decent contract. of course, the player will ask for the moon, the team will counter (or vice versa), but I can’t believe there isn’t a reasonable contract that works for both sides here. Who knows, maybe it happens still. but from what we’ve seen so far, this just looks like the Same Old Jets process to me. And the results are what they are. we can sit here with a bunch of unused cap space and losses mounting up, and be happy that “we didn’t overpay” great for the fucking Johnsons, not so great for us fans
Maye is older & he's not a JD draft pick. Basically ---- he's a goner. But at least fill his spot with Marcus Williams FS from New Orleans. JUST turned 25 & its better value on the $$ spent. We have higher priority positions in the upcoming draft than to draft a safety.
Yes JD said he was serious about re-signing Maye, and that he'd be a part of the Jets future. He also said that about Jamal Adams, Robby Anderson, Leonard Williams.. Darnold was also going to be a big part of the future. But when push comes to shove, he doesn't re-sign, and with exception of Adams ends up parting ways with little to no return value. There were even rumors regarding moving Q and Mosley, and there's still time for that. Those guys, along with Maye and Crowder are next up imo. To a lesser extent, I still can't understand cutting Brian Winters for Van Roten. And not even keeping Austin for depth? It's a terrible strategy of creating new holes for every hole plugged, just in the name of tearing down anything he didn't bring on. Probably my biggest issue with JD, along with terrible FA results. He may eventually get it right, but man we are on one slow train.
Some of you guys treat the cap space like it's your own money and your struggling to pay rent. This team is absolutely starved for good football players. Maye is a good football player. We need those guys on the field.
Yeah but he wants to be paid like a top player, just like every single above average player in the league does. That means we need to burn him alive.
