2021 - Preseason Week 2: Jets @ Packers

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  1. NCJetsfan

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    Yep that's exactly what we were talking about. I was wondering why Wilson didn't move the RB to the other side. Turns out they both were wrong.
     
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    What's wrong with you? I asked you to explain exactly what Cowherd said that bothered you and instead of saying what has you so wound up you post a video with a couple of nobodies whining about the same thing you are and, like you, never focusing on anything that Cowherd supposedly said. Why should anyone need to watch that shit? What's the matter, can't you speak for yourself?
     
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    Simms definitely had Lawrence 2nd, but think Mac was #3
     
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    My argument is not that these guys know nothing of football or the inner workings of the Jets franchise. My argument is that it does not matter how much guys like Cimini know because it all comes down to headlines and clicks. Cimini is not a journalist or a reporter who dives deep into stories. Cimini is a click bait whore who types as quick as possible to be the first one to generate a headline.

    I am also not claiming to know more about football or this franchise than these guys. Hell, I'm 30 years old. There are those, like my father, who have been following the game and this franchise far before I was born, but I am also not an idiot. Cimini sees Wilson struggle in camp and his first instinct is to post an "article" or rather a "snippet" with a title like "Wilson struggles mightily as he throws 17 interceptions". The practice ends and you speak to the coaching staff and Wilson himself and you find out that not only are they working on specific things that Cimini had no way of knowing, but Wilson admits that he's making throws that he otherwise would not make in a game, a fact that many QBs came out after stating to be very true.

    Cimini and guys like him do not investigate stories nor do they put effort behind their words. You see this when they are live posting on Twitter. Cimini will tweet something like "Wilson massively over throws the receiver which leads to an interception". Following that tweet, multiple other reporters will tweet "Wilson throws a ball that goes right through the hands of the receiver and is picked off by the safety". Weird. So to Cimini, Wilson throws a horrible interception, but to everyone else present, Wilson throws a perfect ball that goes through the hands of the receiver.

    It's pointless to continue arguing this because either side is set on their views, but in my opinion, there is a reason that guys surrounding this franchise say what they say about guys like Cimini. It's not rocket science to figure out that they have an agenda and it's not one in the Jets favor
     
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    I think what's pointless is to constantly complain about them. That's what they want you to do, make them the topic of conversation, they get paid more if you do.

    Their agenda are to get people reading and people react to negative more than positive, that is a fact. You don't have the foggiest clue what research they do and any claims to the contrary are hot air and nothing else. If you think any one of these beat writers wouldn't kill to be on the beat of a Super Bowl team you are even more clueless than I had assumed. Cimini would be on TV more than he's ever been in his career. That dude would be making bank with ESPN because he's actually got the chops and proves to us a few times a year what a capable writer he can be.

    If the Jets do start winning games like a lot of people think, I don't think you're going to see very much negativity coming from Jets beat writers. Manish was the sole Jets-hating beat writer and he's gone now, but I think his issues extend further than writing about football.

    Jets fans whining about beat writer negativity is as constant as the wind.
     
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    Pretty sure he had Jones 2nd Lawrence 3 Mond 4 Fields and Lance. But maybe I am mistaken in my recollection but that is how I recall it. He really liked Jones.

    Edit: i see his March 3rd list having Lawrence ahead. Maybe I was wrong or maybe at some point he adjusted it in a podcast.
     
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    I 100% agree and I know it is stupid of me for complaining or posting about it. Again, I am not denying that fact.

    I do have a clue that guys like Cimini are not researching into their stories or doing their due diligence prior to posting because if they did, the stupidity would not come out at every second. Cimini has been called out dozens and dozens of times for just posting horseshit because it drives a narrative and gets him clicks. I am sorry to think that is bullshit reporting and I do not appreciate that style of news. When Becton struggles in camp, Cimini does not research into potential reasons for the struggle or interact further with sources in the Jets to determine if there is real concern or if there is something Becton is doing that is resulting in struggles. Instead, he posts about how bad Becton looks and that he is getting beat left and right and the Jets should worry.

    Is that something we should post? Absolutely. Because we are not there, we do not have the sources, and we do not follow the team like Cimini does. But should Cimini post that, in my opinion? Only if he has the backup reporting to show that it should be a worry, which he does not.

    Your point is well taken. These guys have been around the game and this team far longer than many of us. That is true, so act like it. Report on the situation as someone who is well connected in the organization. Use your sources to find out why Becton is struggling. Maybe he is working on a new technique. Maybe the pass rushers are being told to purposely go after his weakness to exploit it and try and make him better. Maybe he is still in the process of learning a new scheme and how to adjust his play to fit that scheme. Not a post that just states that Becton looks like shit and the Jets should start worrying.
     
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    Have t watched the entire game yet…got through the first half …

    but did Mims play at all? I don’t recall seeing him out there but hadn’t heard that he got hurt or anything?
     
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    He had a near injury in the practice leading up to the game so I believe they sat him for the game.
     
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    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/08/22/...-packers/?mc_cid=aaf666aedc&mc_eid=90b98ab2f5

    5 NY Jets players who disappointed in preseason win over Packers
    These 5 New York Jets players had a rough outing in the team's preseason victory over the Green Bay Packers.

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    08/22/2021

    Which New York Jets players failed to impress in Green Bay?
    The New York Jets claimed a 23-14 victory over the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field to improve their preseason record to 2-0.

    While New York’s second consecutive preseason win featured plenty of stars (particularly on the offensive side of the ball), there were a decent number of question marks that arose from the game.

    Here are a few players who had concerning performances in Wisconsin.

    Bryce Huff
    Second-year edge rusher Bryce Huff will be under the microscope this season as he attempts to help the Jets survive the loss of Carl Lawson.

    Huff had a great preseason debut against the Giants last week, recording two sacks, but he was quiet in his first game following Lawson’s injury. Over 18 pass-rush snaps, Huff recorded just one pressure. He also had zero tackles over 15 snaps against the run and sometimes struggled to hold the edge.

    Isaiah Dunn
    Undrafted rookie cornerback Isaiah Dunn made his preseason debut after an offseason in which he has performed well, earning first-team reps at times.

    Dunn struggled a bit in his first professional action. He was targeted five times and allowed three catches for 41 yards and two first downs. One of the two incompletions was dropped by the intended target.

    Marcus Maye
    Marcus Maye did not look like his usual self in Green Bay. He was credited with a team-high two missed tackles.

    In coverage, Maye and Bryce Hall both appeared to be partially at fault for giving up a six-yard touchdown catch to tight end Jace Sternberger. Maye was probably more at fault, though. Hall was in a tough spot where he had to defend both Sternberger’s corner route and a receiver in the flat.

    Maye was playing the deep-half to Sternberger’s side and had no other threats in his area, so it looked like he should have been able to get over and make a play on the ball.

    Corey Levin
    Corey Levin has a good chance to earn a roster spot as a versatile backup interior offensive lineman, especially after Alex Lewis‘ retirement. He has to start playing better if he is going to take advantage of that opportunity.

    Levin allowed two pressures (1 sack, 1 hit) over just 13 snaps in pass protection. He earned a pass-blocking grade of 34.3 at Pro Football Focus.

    Through two games, Levin has a pass-blocking grade of 15.1. That is the worst mark in the preseason thus far among guards with at least 40 pass-blocking snaps as of the completion of Saturday’s games.

    Jonathan Marshall
    Jonathan Marshall had a shaky encore performance after his crowd-pleasing debut that featured two half-sacks.

    Marshall did a solid job in the passing game. While he had zero pressures, he recorded two pass-rush wins. His pass-rush win rate of 15.4% ranked at the 74th percentile among qualified interior defensive linemen in Week 2 of the preseason as of Sunday morning.

    It was in the run game where Marshall had a rough outing. He played a big role in the Jets’ inability to stop the run, posting a team-low 27.8 run defense grade at PFF over 20 snaps against the run. That stands as the worst single-game run defense grade by any qualified interior defensive linemen in the preseason thus far.

    Marshall’s incredible athleticism appears to be translating to the NFL. He is getting off the ball in a hurry and making noise in the passing game.

    However, the point-of-attack issues that showed up on Marshall’s Arkansas tape also seem to be translating. He had issues with defending the run in college, struggling with anchoring down, two-gapping, and handling combo blocks.
     
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    10 biggest standouts from NY Jets’ preseason win over Packers
    These 10 New York Jets players impressed with great performances in the team's preseason victory over the Green Bay Packers.

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    Mekhi Becton
    For the second consecutive week, Mekhi Becton put out a great performance in real-game action to ease concern about his struggles on the practice field.

    Becton thrived against the Packers, earning an 80.8 overall grade at Pro Football Focus that led all offensive linemen on the Jets. He played great football in both phases, earning an 81.5 run-blocking grade and a 73.2 pass-blocking grade.

    Green Bay was not playing its first-team defense, just like the Giants last week, but Becton is doing what he is supposed to do – beating up on the inferior competition.

    Becton’s practice struggles this offseason have come against accomplished rushers like Carl Lawson and Preston Smith. We’ll have to wait and see if those issues translate to the regular season when he lines up against studs such as Brian Burns and Bradley Chubb.

    For now, Becton is checking every box.

    Pass protection of Dan Feeney, Connor McGovern, Greg Van Roten, and George Fant
    The first-team offensive line was absolutely phenomenal in pass protection. Becton (LT), Dan Feeney (LG), Connor McGovern (C), Greg Van Roten (RG), and George Fant (RT) combined to allow one pressure. That one was allowed by Becton – none of the other four players were credited with allowing any pressures.

    With Morgan Moses sidelined due to personal reasons, Fant got the start and took full advantage. He got more reps than the rest of the first-team offensive line, leading the Jets with 53 offensive snaps and giving up zero pressures over a team-high 24 snaps in pass protection.

    Through two games, the Jets have witnessed good starts in pass protection from Becton, McGovern, and Fant. Becton has allowed one pressure on 22 protection snaps (4.5% rate) while Fant has allowed one pressure on 34 protection snaps (2.9% rate). The 2020 NFL average for tackles was 5.3%.

    McGovern has allowed zero pressures on 22 protection snaps.

    After giving up three pressures in his Jets debut, Feeney bounced back with no pressures allowed on 13 protection snaps. He also had a team-high 82.7 pass-blocking grade.

    Zach Wilson
    Zach Wilson shredded the Packers, completing 9 of 11 passes for 128 yards, two touchdowns, and no interceptions.

    Wilson was efficient both when pressured and when kept clean. When under pressure, Wilson went 3-of-3 for 40 yards and two first downs. When kept clean, he went 6-of-8 for 88 yards, two touchdowns, and three first downs.

    The Jets’ offense is known for its quick-hitting nature, but Wilson did his best work against the Packers when he took more time to scan the field.

    When he released the ball less than 2.5 seconds after the snap, Wilson completed 2 of 3 passes for 11 yards and one first down.

    On passes that were released at least 2.5 seconds after the snap, Wilson completed 7 of 8 passes for 117 yards, four first downs, and two touchdowns.

    Corey Davis
    With Elijah Moore sidelined, the Jets have been feeding Corey Davis an absurd amount of targets.

    Davis was targeted on all four of the plays in which he ran a route against the Giants last week. In Green Bay, Davis received six targets over 10 routes run.

    That’s 10 targets over 14 routes run – a 71.4% rate. For perspective, the NFL’s leader in that category among wide receivers last season was Davante Adams at 31.5%.

    Davis will certainly not maintain such a monstrous rate in the regular season. Still, it’s impressive how efficient he has been in his high-volume role thus far.

    Wilson and Davis hooked up four times for 70 yards and three first downs against the Packers. Davis did damage in all sorts of ways, grabbing one first down in the deep range (20+ yards downfield), one in the intermediate range (10-19 yards downfield), and one in the short range (0-9 yards downfield).

    Davis even made a slick juke move on a screen pass behind the line of scrimmage to turn a potential two-yard loss into a five-yard gain.

    Tyler Kroft
    Tyler Kroft was targeted twice. Both passes resulted in an 18-yard touchdown.

    On the first touchdown, Kroft caught a pass up the seam and was shellacked by a safety near the goal line. He survived the hit and spun up the field to cross the goal line.

    On the second, Kroft secured a well-placed pass in the flat and continued downfield in stride. He utilized a great block from Chris Herndon and then side-stepped one defender on his way to the house.

    Michael Carter II
    It was not a great day for the Jets defense, hence why we are left with only two spots for defensive players on this list.

    Lamar Jackson and Brandin Echols each snagged a pick to highlight the afternoon for the defense. While both played well, there is another defensive back who I thought deserved some spotlight despite not making a splashy play.

    That would be Michael Carter II. The Duke product was given the starting nod at slot cornerback after Javelin Guidry was given the role last week. Carter II seized the opportunity as he dropped into coverage on 15 snaps and was not targeted a single time, providing sticky coverage in the slot.

    Carter II has yet to allow a catch through two preseason games. He has dropped into coverage on 26 snaps and seen just one target, which fell incomplete.

    Guidry played well with the second-team defense. He was targeted twice over nine coverage snaps and allowed one catch for three yards, a play in which he made a great tackle on Amari Rodgers to prevent a first down.

    J.T. Hassell
    J.T. Hassell has been making noise in training camp and translated that hype to the preseason spotlight on Saturday.

    Hassell forced a fumble on Packers running back Patrick Taylor, getting his helmet down and striking the ball. He also stuffed a pair of runs and took advantage of a wide-open sack opportunity with a good finish on Kurt Benkert for the eight-yard loss.

    In coverage, Hassell was not targeted over nine snaps.

    Honorable mention: Matt Ammendola
    We’re going over 10 players here, but who cares? The legendary Matt Ammendola has to be mentioned.

    Ammendola went into Green Bay as the only kicker on the Jets’ roster following the release of Chris Naggar. He took advantage of the opportunity, making all three of his field goals (from 54, 46, and 30 yards) and both of his extra points.

    The raw power that Ammendola has is obvious, but that power would be useless if he did not couple it with accuracy. Ammendola’s blend of power and accuracy is what gives him intriguing potential. He consistently boots the ball with both good lift and sharp precision, rarely launching a stinker that completely misses the uprights.

    Even Ammendola’s work on kickoffs was impressive. He averaged a hang time of 4.08 seconds over six kickoffs, well above the 2020 NFL average of 3.98 seconds. Good hang time on kickoffs goes a long way towards both preventing big returns and baiting returners into taking the ball out and getting stopped well short of the 25-yard line.

    Ammendola is 3-for-3 on field goals and 3-for-3 on extra points in the preseason. As of the latest report out of Florham Park, he had made 88% of his attempts in training camp sessions.

    With one more perfect preseason outing, Ammendola can convince the Jets that they do not need to look elsewhere for an answer at the kicker position.
     
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    Zach Wilson’s preseason start obliterates those of previous NY Jets QBs
    Zach Wilson has enjoyed a substantially better start to his preseason career than any of the New York Jets' recent young quarterbacks.

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    Zach Wilson is off to a far better start than the NY Jets’ recent young QBs
    Zach Wilson’s career with the New York Jets is off to a red-hot start. He put together back-to-back sharp performances to kick off his NFL preseason career.

    Yes, it’s only preseason.

    That disclaimer applies to every discussion about production and performance in the NFL preseason, but nevertheless, analyzing the preseason can still be worthwhile so long as we remain pragmatic while doing so.

    Wilson’s two-game start compares extremely favorably to those of the Jets’ recent young quarterbacks. That does not mean it is already a guarantee that he will be better than those quarterbacks – remember, it’s preseason – but it is something worth noting.

    Passer rating
    Each of the stats we look at in this piece are from the quarterbacks’ first two preseason games in their rookie season.

    • Zach Wilson: 137.7
    • Bryce Petty: 85.2
    • Sam Darnold: 82.3
    • Mark Sanchez: 82.3
    • Geno Smith: 54.6
    • Christian Hackenberg: 35.7
    Wilson is 15 for 20 with 191 yards, two touchdowns, and zero interceptions through two preseason games. His 137.7 passer rating currently stands as the best in the NFL this preseason among quarterbacks with at least 20 pass attempts.

    Bryce Petty, Sam Darnold, and Mark Sanchez each had one good performance and one bad performance within their first two games.

    Petty went 10 for 18 with a measly 50 yards against the Falcons in his debut. He took a big step forward the next week as he went 12 for 19 with 168 yards, one touchdown, and no picks against the Falcons.

    Darnold started off hot, going 13 for 18 with 96 yards, one touchdown, and zero interceptions as he methodically moved the ball down the field against the Falcons. He dipped the next week as he went 8 for 11 with 62 yards, no touchdowns, and one interception in Washington.

    Sanchez went 3 for 4 with 88 yards against the Rams before going 3 for 8 with 43 yards, one touchdown, and one interception in Baltimore the following week.

    Sacks
    • Wilson: 0 on 20 dropbacks (0.0%)
    • Hackenberg: 1 on 48 dropbacks (2.1%)
    • Smith: 1 on 38 dropbacks (2.6%)
    • Petty: 3 on 40 dropbacks (7.5%)
    • Sanchez: 1 on 13 dropbacks (7.7%)
    • Darnold: 3 on 32 dropbacks (9.4%)
    The Jets have done a nice job of protecting Wilson thus far. Mike LaFleur has created natural protection for him through bootlegs, rollouts, and play action, while the first-team offensive line has done solid work.

    However, sacks are largely a quarterback stat. It’s on the offensive line and the coaching staff to prevent pressure, but it’s on the quarterback to prevent those pressured plays from turning into sacks.

    And Wilson has been able to do that. He has been poised when operating from a congested pocket, showing no panic and consistently getting the ball out to an open target.



    Interceptions
    • Petty: 0 on 37 attempts (0.0%)
    • Wilson: 0 on 20 attempts (0.0%)
    • Darnold: 1 on 29 attempts (3.4%)
    • Hackenberg: 2 on 47 attempts (4.3%)
    • Smith: 3 on 37 attempts (8.1%)
    • Sanchez: 1 on 12 attempts (8.3%)
    Wilson has taken great care of the football, posting zero sacks and zero interceptions through his first two preseason games. He hasn’t even come close to making either of those mistakes – he has not been knocked down and he has not had any potential interceptions dropped.

    The other five Jets quarterbacks on the list combined to throw seven interceptions over 162 passes. That’s a rate of 4.3%, which would have been the worst in the NFL among qualified quarterbacks in 2020. Those interception struggles translated to the regular season for that group of passers.

    Petty tops the list with zero picks on 37 passes, but he was lucky to post that line. He was charged with two turnover-worthy throws by Pro Football Focus. Wilson has been tagged with zero turnover-worthy throws.

    It is certainly nice to see that Wilson is slowly separating himself from the Jets’ previous quarterback failures. While twenty preseason passes is far too small of a sample to claim that he has already firmly established himself in a different stratosphere than his predecessors, he will eventually do just that if he maintains his current pace of development.
     
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    Wilson certainly looked like a vet against the Packers. A good one, too. I think he’ll have a good rookie season if pass protection holds up. He hasn’t been hit or forced to deal with consistent pressure yet but I get the feeling that it won’t be long before he’s able to produce under those circumstances.
     
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    I don't know how good Becton looked but on that screen play he was the only lineman that seemed like he had a clue what he was doing, the rest of them were all bunched up in a group 3 yards to the right of the ball carrier not blocking anyone.
     
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    @Cman65 was just getting over petty, why do we have to bring him up again now?

    just having some fun c.
     
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    Man you gotta get an avatar of Zach in green. :D
     
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    Simms on Zach vs. GB and how it translates to the regular season.

     
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    Simms makes some errors and shows some bias here.

    He says the Jets didn't dial anything up specifically for Zack like other teams did for their rookies. That's not true. We put specific BYU plays in for Zach to feel comfortable.

    He also acts like Zach was the only QB to improvise and make plays. That not true. They all have, and Fields has done it more.

    There is no denying that Zach has made some great plays and looked good, but Simms is homering a little. Its not unfair to say he has looked the best though.
     
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