1 - Agreed. It's not going to be possible to find a young DT in FA, and there is no point in signing an older guy. It'd be nice to have someone to complement Robertson. 2 - Absolutely, and maybe Kerry Rhodes two. Talk about great surprises this year. 3 - No. I'd like to see a few more years; extend it before the last year of his contract if it is well deserved then, but there are plenty of coaches who have looked good in their first years then flopped. 4 - I think Barton has a better chance of going than Hobson. Not based on play, just different tidbits I've read in newspapers, plus the interview on JN with Andrew Gross, a Jets' beat writer. 5 - Another place I agree. Westhoff has done so much for our special teams; the only sour spots were Nugent day 1, and his weak kick offs, but he's been clutch since, and his kickoffs are very good now. The other sore spots are Matt Chatham and Brad Kassell, but nothing to do with Westhoff; they're just horrible, idiotic players. Also, I'd look towards the restructuring of the right side of the OL. Adrian Jones, Anthony Clement, and Brandon Moore will all probably be gone. I wouldn't be surprised if Trey Teague is our starting RG and we either sign a RT or draft one in round 2 or 3.
My feeling is that Hobson is here to stay but I think he is better suited for MLB. I still think we need a weakside linebacker who can get pressure by just beating someone one on one. Hobson is a good system player, has had a great year but I'd rather have someone who can fly off the edge and cause the offense to gameplan to stop him so that the rest of the defense has more space to work. I'd like to see them draft a tweeners and work him into the defense while they continue to make use of hobson. Either way the key to the linebackers is making the defensive line better. I wouldn't have any problems with the current linebackers with a huge nose tackle, robertson and ellis at ends. That would create a very well balanced front 7.
Please tell me why Chatham and Kassel are "horrible idiotic" players? You really think Trey Teague is the answer at RG? I agree that in the long run Moore, Clement and Kendall are all gone. You can't replace all three guys in the offseason and then next year you have another entire offensive line so you might as well keep one or two and continue the cohesion.
I'm basing it mostly off of JetNation's online chat/interview with Andrew Gross: Doesn't necesarily make it likely, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Clement and Jones gone. I don't think Trey Teague is the answer at guard, either, but he'd probably be a serviceable stop gap until they can either groom someone they draft next year, or a guy like Isaac Snell (if they can get him back - was great in NFLE, but was on the practice squad and was waived for some reason and quickly picked up by Tennessee for their practice squad). Chatham and Kassell are horrible tacklers, or at least from what they've shown this year. I believe they were both in on the Dillon 50 yard run earlier in the year, and they've missed plenty of tackles on ST and other various times on the field. Let's not forget the onside kick. I personally didn't really care for the Chatham signing just because he was from the Patriots, but I did like the Kassell signing. His numbers looked good from when he was with Tennessee, but I can easily see why they didn't try to bring him back. He's not even that good of a backup player let alone a rotation guy who will play maybe 25-30% of the snaps. I really don't like the whole "replace the right side of the OL in one year" plan either, if it's true. Seems too risky. Oh well, at this point, it's all speculation anyway. I'm just hoping we beat Oakland and make the playoffs.
I agree with giving Mangini and Westhoff new deals. Maybe even Schottenheimer. As for the rest, though, I would take a look at every position, see if there is a better option available in FA, and sign that player if they are an upgrade over the current talent. The priority in that search would be CB and RT, but I would examine all positions. As for the draft, it would be BPA all the way. There is no better way to build a deep team that that.
I agree that Clement and Moore both stink. I was actually surpised they didn't draft another lineman midround last year to groom for one of those spots. Kassel and Chatham are certainly not going to be starters but I think both have been adequate on special teams. I'm not sure either is here for the long term but I don't think either of them stinks. The play by Kassel against the Dolphins wasn't really his fault, the returner (Washington) needs to yell out to any jets player that he is not catching it so that they can get out of there. I'm sure in the future that we won't see that happen again. What do you think about Schlegel? I feel he is probably starting inside next year unless they shift Hobson there. Regardless I think they will continue to rotate the linebackers. What do you think about the tight end position? Personally I feel it's a position they have to upgrade. They really are hurt by not having a tight end that can get down the field between the numbers and keep the safties honest. I know that Baker has had to stay in and help block on both sides but even when he does go out it doesn't seem like the defense is really worried about him.
I don't blame Kassell at all for the play against the Dolphins; freak incident that he could do nothing about. And now that you've mentioned his name, that onside kick was Schlegel, not Chatham. But I still don't care for Chatham at all. I don't think Schlegel will be starting next year unless he has an extremely impressive training camp and preseason because they didn't have him active too much, and I don't think I saw him take all that many defensive snaps either. As far as tight end goes, I was a huge Chris Baker fan. I always though he was just misused and underutilized by Edwards, but either Mangini doesn't see him as the receiving tight end as I do or Baker just has limitations as a good tight end. It'd be nice to get a TE to stretch the field, but it's not too high on my list because Baker does an adequate job blocking, and there are more important places to fix.
I agree with you on Kassell. That was a freak thing but also LEON WASHINGTON's FAULT. You should be screaming a keyword to tell everyone to get out of the way. I also agree on Baker... I wouldn't spend big on a TE.
I'd love to lock-up Schottenheimer but there's no way to do it. He's going to get an offer in a couple of years to go be HC somewhere. I'm just hoping that Chad is around and looking for a challenge at that point. He'd be a great continuity choice for the Jet's new OC. It'd be really tough to get everything lined up his first year, but I can't think of a retiring player that would be more qualified.
G TT ST AT int pass defensed 2006 Chicago Bears 15 125 104.0 21 1 8 2006 New York Jets 15 91 61.0 30 6 2 More tackles for Lance Briggs, but Hobson is close, and Jets didn't learn the scheme until game in NE. I'll keep Hobson,,,need a DT to get Vilma back making impact plays.
What's wrong with Neon Leon? Did everyone forget his TD in Preseason? He is a PR Not just a RB filling PR duties
I don't think Chatham is one of those guys that gets much recognition. I can't think of a specific play where he did something great but don't you think there is a reason that both Belichek and Mangini keep him around? I think Schlegel will be phased into middle linebacker rotation next year. I think learning to play 4-3 MLB is a much easier position to learn then 3-4 MLB. If you look at all the teams that run the 3-4 they rarely ever have a young guy playing in the middle. Even if you look at Bruschi and Vrabel neither one of them were good players early in their careers. I don't think that Sutton and Mangini ever expected that Schlegel would play from scrimmage this year. The idea was for him to learn the system and hopefully contribute on special teams by the second half of the season. He seems to be the ideal player for that position. Whether he will actually be good is yet to be seen but I don't have any reason to think he won't be playing next year. I think Baker is allright but with Chad's physical limitations having an above average tight end would really make things easier for him. Obviously Baker has been utilized as a blocker more then the typical tight end because of our offensive line problems. Also Belichek has drafted 2 tight ends in the first round (Daniel Graham and Ben Watson) and one in the third round (Dave Thomas) so he clearly believes that having a great tight end can create all sorts of matchup problems. Of course Watson and Graham have never turned into great players but both have shown signs. I'm sure Mangini is aware of the value of having a tight end who has speed, good hands and the ability to block. I fully expect the Jets to either draft a tight end on the first day or to sign a free agent. With that being said, the defense and offensive lines are much more important.
I was at the Miami game and watching him, I personally think he is not very good. It is my personal opinion. He looked ill at ease back there. Even though Dwight will not break one loose he was sure handed, knew when to field the punt and when not too. If Leon can learn those qualities fine. I do not want a deer in the headlight look by a Punt returner. BTW it is not a pressing need. Just the only thing our ST is lacking IMO....................... other then a lights out touchback kicker lol.
i think we should try barton and hobson in the middle bryan thomas and vilma on the outside. 1. since people say vilma is not making impact plays for someone who right now has 109 tackles makes no sense but anyhow he's a quick linebacker period he has speed so why not let him be outside and rush sort of like lawerence taylor once did for the giants. 2. though hobson is listed as being 1 foot shorter then vilma he also has 20 more pounds on him as well so he could bang it up inside a little bit more then vilma can cuz of the weight advantage.
A foot shorter would be 5'1". The problem with moving Hobson inside is that inside linebackers, especially in a 3-4, need to be able to cover a lot of ground quickly. That's two things that Hobson doesn't do: cover a lot of ground and move quickly. He lines up now at left OLB and he's barely able to hold that down.
We have always needed a monster at the dt position, n its important to lock up cotch, mangini, n westhoff, but hobson has definately held his own n played strong. Getting a new starting lb is not one of our main priorites as opposed to a solid young rb.
Maybe dwight did in the past, but if you watched any jets games at all this year , you wouldnt understand that isnt the case.
come on guys, think abt this 25 MILLION CAP SPACE WOW tang is really gonna have some fun with that expect an even better team next year
