I admit I wanted the Jets to sign Abraham to a long-term deal and didn't like to see him go. I also admit that I was completely wrong on this one. I'll happily take Mangold and the money saved in not signing Abraham. He clearly can't stay on the field consistently enough to earn his pay.
There were TWO teams that made out like bandits from that trade. One of them wasn't Atlanta, it is a shame that the DirtyBird fans haven't come back here to check in on how life with Abe is..
It's very unfortunate for that franchise. They were starting to turn a corner, and now they've got big money locked up in flash in the pan Abraham and Michael "coachkiller" Vick. Neither one is a leader. -X-
it was a great trade. I was surprised we hung onto Abraham as long as we did. I wanted to get rid of him way before that.
Funny thing, fate. We actually did not really get market value for a coach which had been pretty much set as a first or second rounder. If we did not get a fourth for Herm, we would probably not have Leon and I believe that Leon will be an important player for us for years.
Let's see... so far we managed to hose KC and Atlanta real bad by sticking them with Herm and Abe. We fleece the Patriots of Eric Mangini, which can possibly the termed the hosing of the century, then we grab Schottenheimer, a brilliant strategist. My concern is that teams are going to see our phone number on the caller ID and yell, "The Jets are on the phone... don't pick it up!"
i'll take the hit on that one...i was a propent of re-signing him...was I wrong hell yes...no player is bigger than the team...none
Abe is still a stud when he's healthy. The reason this trade looks so great is due to the production of Mangold at center, and how well he's played. That being said, you can't help but be ecstatic to how this trade worked out. I wanted to resign Abe over Ellis, and then I was pretty much resigned to letting Abe go, and seeing what we could get for him. I was hoping for a higher pick than 29, but Mangold looks like a stud, so the trade looks very nice.
I agree. If Mangold had been a bust we'd all be screaming, but it looks like our scouting has been good so far. Let's hope we can duplicate the success in the '07 draft.
Not only that, but, that draft was known to be STACKED beforehand.... If Atlanta couldn't have used an eventual Pro Bowl Center they could have settled for Demeco Ryans or Kiwanuka - How do those contracts compare to Mr Part Timer>
The trade has worked out for us great. It remains to be seen whether it will work out for them. It hasn't so far, but things can change.
The other consequence for Atlanta is that Kerney is a FA after this season and will be demanding "Abraham Money", even though he was hurt for most of this season.
OK, just to go back a bit because I don't remember it perfectly: NYJ - Give - Abraham to Atlanta - Get first round pick from Denver Atl - Give second round pick to Denver - Get Abraham and Lelie Denver - Give Lelie to Atlanta and first round pick to NYJ - Get 2nd round pick I know I'm missing something, because that doesn't work out at all for Denver
i bet leon could manage the clock better than herm too. we got 2 solid players for 2 losers...leon/herm, and mangold-en/john abe the sack of shit who plays when he wants and wont put it on the line for anyone other than ben franklin. we def got the best of those deals.
yea now looking back definitely worked out in our favor... mangold has been a tremendous asset to the rebuilding of the offensive line, and all i've heard from players and coaches are that his outgoing personality has allowed him to be a leader on the line. as for abraham, he's without a doubt a very athletic d-end who is capable of making game changing plays, but his injuries along with his attitude toward the jets was not something the staff wanted on the team. its always tough to see a guy with such potential go, but in this case, it was definitely worth it.
