Yes. Kerry the Drunk had an awesome career! Getting run out of Carolina and leading his Giant Disgrace to a slaughter against the Ravens! hahaha! Chad is about to lead the Jets to the playoffs for the third time in five seasons despite the team not having a dominant defense or credible running game. Sign Kerry the Drunk now! He can throw those 60 yard interceptions into double coverage! Sign Eli too! Giants fans seem thrilled with his leadership and game management skills! You will probably only miss Chad when he is gone. But I am going to enjoy things while he's starting and winning more games than he loses. You can keep Kerry the Drunk!
The scenario you presented doesn't have anything to do with what I originally posted. The fact of the matter is there aren't a lot of QB's in this league that can lead their team back from 2 TD's in the 4th quarter, Chad happening to be one of them doesn't mean much. I was not arguing whether Chad was Elite or not, or even very good. I've actually been very critical of Chad this season. But on the whole, when you look at the entire body of work you have to say he did a good job, with what he had to work with.
Ok, so can we drop this notion that we can't and don't throw down the field because of Chad? Is he the best at it? No. Does he make it work for us? Yes.
One good pass settles the argument? The point isn't about throwing the ball deep it is about the limitations on routes and the offense due to his inability to get the ball there in a hurry or on a line (i.e., not a lob)
It might. He had the NFLs leading rusher in 04 and he wasn't exactly putting up all pro numbers that year. My opinion is that trying to make up for a flawed QBs weaknesses with players around him generally doesn't work. Remember a couple years ago when the Falcons just needed a TE and a legitimate WR and Vick would be the best QB ever? Well Algae Crumpler is a Pro Bowler and the Falcons have 3 1st round picks within the last few years at WR and none of them have over 430 yards receiving. How's that working out for them? That's not to say that you can't win with a flawed QB, but when you try to make that flawed QB the center of your offense is when I think teams get in trouble.
It doesn't mean much that Chad can't lead a team back from 2 TDs/scores down? The Jets (assuming the get in) will be the 6th seed on the AFC side of the playoff bracket. There is probably a good chance that in the wild card game alone that the Jets could be down two scores.
He's been doing it all year, it's not just one good pass. He's not a mad bomber, but when they don't think you can throw long and you do, your chances for a successful play are that much better. Go back and look at the games, they set it up with the short game and then take a couple shots deep. Once again, if Chad was too limited to run this offense someone else would have won the open competition for the job. This CS didn't draft Chad, they had no loyalty to him. If Ramsey or Clemens with their big arms could do any better they would have won the job, but they didn't. Why is that?
You are completely missing the point. Chad isn't too limited to run this offense as it has been tailored to his strengths (which good coaches do.) The offense is too limited because of Chad (that is the point.) And, no one is arguing that Chad isn't the best QB for the team right now. He was better than Ramsey (a first round bust) and Clemens (a rookie) this season.
Well I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, I happen to think Chad is world's better than Michael Vick in the purist sense of the term QB and all the responsibility, leadership, intelligence etc. that should go along with holding that position. As for what Chad did in '04, again we'll have to agree to disagree. The offense that year consisted of nothing but handoffs and passes to the flat at our RB's. I don't think that was the real Chad we saw back in '04, it's tough to say what the real Chad is, but he is a winner, and those are hard to come across.
Not just the Pats. He got shellacked, HERE by Pennington in 02. @ NE in Jan 04 (03 season). in the 04 season, Jan2, goes to Denver loses. next week Denver comes to Indy, Denver gets shellacked He goes to NE the next week puts up a 3 spot. @ Seattle Dec 24 05 Its every cold weather game late in the season over the last several years. Also, to play devils advocate those are mostly January games against playoff teams, but the two back to back games against Denver are fairly illustrative...
He's shown himself capable of driving down the length of the field multiple times in short order through-out his career. However at the end of the day this is one of his biggest limitations as a QB and I will not argue it regardless of how our current team is constructed.
Well Manning didn't play against Denver the last game of the regular season in 04. I distinctly remember Sorgi playing that game. Seattle 05 maybe he played a quarter in that game, Sorgi was the QB for most of it.
I think Cotchery and Coles have proven to be "impact players" and you could even make a case for Baker. The Jets are only 20th in rushing offense, not great, but it not like they have the worst rushing attach in the league. At different times, Houston, Washington and even Barlow have provided all the Jets needed in terms of a running game.
And in those seasons beating Tom Brady in NE, Brett Favre in a game Favre had to have, Hanging a 41-0 horsecollar on Peyton Manning, in a single three game stretch... and Beating the Revered Drew Brees not once, not twice, but three times.. and coming within not one, but TWO missed field goals of the AFC championship game. The only NEXT level for Pennington, is to win the Lombardi trophy, which no one QB can do alone.
Oh yeah...impact players. Coles is CLOSE....thats about it. IMO Baker probably could be but is underutilized in the passing game. There isnt a single guy on this squad, except Leon Washington, that scares a defense DEEP. (I.E. We better take the safety out of the box, or else we could be 1 play from a touchdown.....)
I stand corrected...(Should have actually looked at the stats rather than the scores...you are correct on both points..)
