All time low for TGG- did the Jets win????

Really, why would anyone not like their own QB when the team is winning? I just don't get what people expect.

 

actually, as stated before, all 12 playoff teams are SB contenders. Some are just stronger contenders than others. The Steelers and the Patriots have both won SB's via the wild card.

And I think champion feels that every season the jets fail to win the SB no matter their pre-season state, is a dissappointing season. I don't mean to speak for him either.

 

Winning didn't stop the Ravens from cutting Trent Dilfer after they won the Superbowl.

 

And they did so well before finally replacing him, too.

 

True, but more specifically, going in at 10-6 and finishing the season on a 6-2, 5-1 roll--as we'd be if we win Sunday--is certainly being more of a contender than going in at 7-9 in the NFC. We're talking about the Jets being contenders, it's hard to make the case right now that they aren't. Not favorites, but certainly contenders.

And champ's post was that the Bradway/Herm regime left us in such bad shape that it would take until 2009 or 2010 to rebuild. :rofl:

 

You're probably thinking of the Ravens. The Pats never won a SB as a wild card. More to the point, since the NFL expanded to a 16 game schedule, a team with less then 11 wins has only won the SB once, that was the 88 49ers who went 10-6 and actually ended up with a first round bye and a second round home game(while 2 10-6 teams missed the playoffs entirely). Even counting the seasons when the NFL used a 14 game schedule, there were only 2 SB winners with less then 11 wins.

 

If Clemens turns out to be as bad as the stiffs the Ravens have put out there, we are in deep doo doo.

 

I stand corrected,

the stats are certainly not on our side, nor is our long history. But I am sure if the team makes it into the playoffs, they will be prepared, and will certainly not lose before they play their opponents.

 

Good point and I had to laugh when Kornheiser was asking if Pennington had the arm strength to conduct the two minute drill. The two minute drill is generally alot of dink and dunk passing.

 

It's not about giving up before you even play the game but you're correct that the stats and the odds are certainly stacked against a team like the Jets making it to a SB. Any team can win any game, but the odds of winning 3 games in a row on the road on teams that have proven themselves more talented then you over the course of a 16 game season are not good.

It takes a perfect storm of factors, like with the Steelers last year. They were certainly an immensely talented team, going 15-1 the season before. They struggled during the year but got hot at the right time, winning their last 4 regular season games and carrying that into the playoffs. My gut feeling is that with 4 divisions it will be a long time before we see this kind of story play out again, and that we'll never see it happen with a team with generally "average" talent like the Jets this year.

 

Before last year no #6 seed ever won the Super Bowl. History doesn't guarantee what happens, just gives you some guidelines for what might happen.

 

I did not even think of it that way. You are right, our second half record would be very strong going into the playoffs, and with the exception of Jacksonville, I think any of the teams that we played already would certainly have to take us seriously, (COLTS PATS)

I don't want to count our chickens before they hatch, but with the exception of San Diego, and they too can have a bad day, I like our chances if we make it into the playoffs.

 

By the way, since I brought it up, here is one of the champ posts I was referring to. Not the exact one, but this was one of his popular sayings through the early part of the season. I can only search 500 posts back, unless I'm missing something, but this gives you the idea.

 

agreed,

and faith can also play a role, as well as the Steelers played in the playoffs, Indy had them beat after the Betis fumble.

The improbable is what I look for in these scenarios, if the jets practice hard, play hard and maintain focus during the games, a break will come there way, much like it did on Christmas day.

 

A 15 to 25 yard sideline pass, which is a staple in the NFL has to go 40 to 50 yards in a hurry. That long bomb to Cotch down the middle of the field is a 15 yard pass from the line of scrimage to the sidelines.

 

I just look at the Jets record against teams with a .500 or better record(2-4) and wonder how they can reel off 3 straight wins on the road against division winners. The most amazing stat to me about the Pats in 03 and 04 was their record against teams .500 or better. Including the playoffs it was an unbelievable 22-1. Their only loss came to the 15-1 Steelers in 04.

 

To me its never been about Championship or bust. If we can get in the playoffs I'd be very happy. If we got by the first round I'd be ecstatic, but I don't see us getting past the Ravens or Chargers.

 

There's no question that a playoff appearance this year would be a huge feather in the cap of the Mangini regime. However we've been at this level before and aside from some significant upgrades at several positions on the roster I don't feel like Chad is the guy to get us to that next level. It's nothing personal and I'm certainly not rooting for him to fail.

I think everyone wants to see the Jets win the SB, they just have different ideas on how to go about it and that's where alot of the friction comes from.