I am trying to categorize what I see here. I have no idea what provokes the thoughts. Id even say that maybe Im wrong -- which im pretty confident is the first time that those words were every written in this forum.
chad pennigton did not win that New England game...the defense and new found and short lived run game did....as far as the 17 year old goes, I accept your apology for realizing that you made no sense. see, what big man I am?....on a serious note, the one thing I do not want for you to take away from our little argument is a sense that I feel people with a reputation deserve to be heard more. I made that comment in response to you saying I never make valid points. I agree that someone with one post should be heard just as much as someone with 5000 posts......and junc, as far as you saying Chad can make "all " the throws...thats just not accurate....Chad Pennigton is limited...thats why the play calls are limited.....he cannot throw the ball 20 yards to the sideline, simply cannot do it...he also cannot throw a 40 yard out consistently because they are floating ducks......Chad Pennigton cannot amke all the throws
It's a shame that you can't enjoy a "rebuilding" team on the verge of the playoffs. We all want the Jets to win a Super Bowl, but some of us understand that it doesn't happen over night. If you can't embrace a team overacheiving like this one, or winning ahead of schedule like this one or one that shows character and guts and good coaching, then too bad for you. I sure would like 10-6 and a playoff game than 8-8 or 6-10 or 4-12. There is a difference between 10-6 this year and 10-6 when a team is a Super Bowl favorite and built to win now. This team is in the beginning of building of something with a new coach and GM. If the next step is that Clemens beats out Pennington next year, so be it. But to sit there with your holier than thou attitude knocking fans who are excited about the progress that has been shown this year makes you come off as someone who is never happy. What would have made this season enjoyable to you? Nothing short of a Super Bowl win? You better get another hobby. Something more predictable, like opera.
People need to grow up. There is no perfect football team, everyone has flaws. Pennington made the throws he needed to make and won yet another game. That's all that matters. All of you who want Browning Nagle and his big arm back are just going to have to live with that for the forseeable future.
The Jets two toughest wins this year, @NE and @Mia, have come due to the play of running backs, Barlow in the NE game and Washington in the Miami game. This is right in line with my perception of Pennington and his skills, he's simply not good enough to beat a top team with his arm.
And who runs the offense and gets the ball to the RBs? You realize Chad runs the game from the line of scrimmage and the team has to execute the plays. To say it's just the RBs who deserve credit is picking and choosing based on your preconceived notions.
So how much credit do we give Pennington for being able to successfully hand the ball off to Barlow while he plowed straight ahead against NE? The OL certainly more then held their own that game but Barlow was the difference maker. As for the Washington plays, those are about as individual as plays can get in the NFL. He made multiple guys miss, turning shovel passes or underneath throws into huge gains.
Chad calls the plays a lot of the time, so he should get a lot of credit. So should everyone else. You go from "the defense isn't that good" to "the RBs deserve the credit" because you can't bring yourself to admit the QB is the leader of the offense on the field and has been all season.
There are plenty of games this year where Chad was the leader on the field and deserves a lionshare of the credit. Going down the schedule, the Titans, 1st Bills, Lions, Texans, Packers and Vikings games. Problem is, these teams are all pretty horrible(or were playing that way when the Jets played them) and I think another QB could've played well enough to win these games, while playing better in some of the games that Chad lost for the Jets this year.
So when we lose it's Chad's fault? See where I'm going with this? When we win you credit everyone else or rationalize that the opponent wasn't very good, but when we lose it's Chad's fault. This isn't looking at things objectively in my opinion.
I actually pridicted 9 wins for this season and a possible playoff berth, not because I am a great football God. But because my team had not played any games as yet, and I figured 9 wins is the minimum to get into the playoffs.
What I dont get about this thread is the poster came out attacking Jet fans that dont believe Chad Pennington is the QB of the future. There have been thousands...thousands of teams from all sports that have had surprising years but realistic fans who can actually watch a ball take flight and say "wow..its still not there yet" might feel that its roster is very flawed at a key position. Every Jet fan woke up happy..every Jet fan enjoyed the game. Every Jet fan will either be at the game or parked in their favorite chair waiting and then watching what could be a pretty hystorical end of a season game. What the hell does that have to do with thinking our QB is the weakest armed QB in the NFL. What the hell does that have to with being crtitical of certain aspects of the team. Who the hell is anyone on this board to judge a fan that sees something in a negative way and mark them as a bad fan. This thread is filled with good discussions about Chad and the team. You want to be critical about a poster that feels Chad isnt their guy....go ahead. Dont question what type of fan he is. Its like some guys feel posters for the Colts never rip their QB after a game he plays like a scarred chicken against the Pats. Those same posters on this site would respond "yeah but Payton is God!" Big friggin deal. Chad might throw for 300 yards against the Raiders and another thread from probably the same poster will come on this board and pull the same crap. Who cares. We dont like Chad. Get used to it.
To me it's pretty simple, Pennington has a below average NFL arm - duh. He cannot make all of the throws with the same velocity as most QB's. However, he is usually is a very accurate thrower of the ball that can have success in this league because of his smarts - especially if he reverts back to his non-INT ways of past years. It's also my opinion that his passes have gotten a little weaker on average as the season has gone by. Is he limited? Of course, but that doesn't mean that the Jets are immediately doomed to failure agaainst good teams. Will he rebound next year (and get stronger after a season of strength training)? Who knows. Brady has certainly increased his arm strength since he first came into the league. I'm not saying that Pennington is as good as Brady, nor am I an apologist for his lack of arm strength. However, does Brady get credit for winning the 2001 SB vs. the Rams? He lead them to all of 10 points in the game in good playing conditions against St. Louis. Also, do the anti-Chad people (and I hate to use that term) concede that the weather played a part in the reason why it was very difficult to throw. Lastly, if Pennington gets "no credit" for the game against Miami because of the one non-INT by Miami does that mean that Joe Montana gets "no credit" for the second SB win vs. the Bengals because the pass prior to John Taylor's TD was right in David Fulcher's hands and he dropped it (in 1988 or 1989)?
He wasn't outplayed by Lemon. Lemon came on and did some different things and made a few plays. As soon as our "D" settled in Bryan Thomas knocked "Mr Rollout" on his ass. Chad played well in the 4th when we needed points. That drive for our touchdown was well executed by our QB.
That's the point. That's what winning QBs do and Chad has always been a winner. I don't care who can roll up huge fantasy numbers in a dome or throw 70 yards in a Nike commercial. Every QB is going to encounter bad weather, tough defenses, etc, those who can withstand it and pull games out are the ones who win. Like Chad.
You need to read my first post. First of all, I never attacked Jet fans who don't believe Pennington is the QB of the future. I questioned why fans were treating a big win like a loss. Second, I never labeled anybody as a good or bad fan. Here is what I wrote - read it again please: So last night the Jets won a huge game in a very gutsy manner in horrible conditions against a Dolphin team that has played well lately (21-0 thumping of the Pats two weeks ago). It was a heart pounding win and the team showed character erasing a 7-3 deficit and a fluke turnover that led to a 10-10 tie. It was a game the Jets won in the 4th quarter bouncing back from adversity. After the game, I was thrilled. What more could you want THIS year, with a new young coach and CS, coming off last year's debacle, with a team predicted to win 4 games, a new OL with two rookies, and a QB playing when nobody thought he would throw another pass in the NFL. So now we stand at 9-6 with only the lowly Raiders standing between the Jets and an improbable playoff berth. And to boot, the Giants are falling apart at the seems. What a day to be a Jet fan! So what do we read on the board today: "Pennington is a below average, noodle arm QB who had a bad game" (I guess the 140 yards passing, 10 points, and 3 for 3 on third on long in the 4th Quarter don't count) (stop listening to the broadcast announcers and WFAN and start thinking for yourselves) The repeated disection of a QB who has done nothing but win since he got here (30-22 and 2 playoff wins) Ferguson got schooled by Taylor (3 tackles and one sack for a guy who I heard all week was going to spend the game in the Jet backfield) The Jets will never win with the RBs and QBs they have. I guess 9-6 is not considered winning. The Jets were lucky that: Lemon played QB (Harrington was tearing it up) The pass on the TD drive was not intercepted (never mind the three or four passes that the Jets could have intercepted, including two by Rhodes, one of which was a sure TD) Leon Washington broke tackles and had YACs (Isn't that what a shifty, fast 3rd down back is supposed to do every now and then?) Why can't Jet fans on this board enjoy this win and realize what this team is on the verge of accomplishing this year, from top to bottom, from what should be a tremendous feel good story in Pennington (the product of hard work and a tremendous attitude in the face of adversity rather than this constant criticism of his arm and the calling for Clemens this year or next) to the great job by the OC is opening up this offense, to the job Mangini has done to outcoach his opponent and to get the most out of this team, to the progress of young players like Mangold, Ferguson, Washington, Smith, Cotchery, etc, to the improved play and aggresiveness of the defense etc. Some people are only happy if they have something to complain about, and that is a shame. But don't rain on my parade. I can't wait to go the game Sunday for what should be an electric, crazy crowd and a rare occasion to see the Jets play a "win and in game. "
