I don't disagree with you. At the end of the day, I trust JD to make the right hire for this team because he is clearly a football guy. He knows better than you or me.
Yep, but Smith had no control over who his QB was. He just had to try to help him be as successful as possible. I tend to agree with you regarding coordinators getting too much credit except for one thing. I think coordinators like Smith and Daboll don't get enough credit for adapting their offenses to what their QBs and players do well rather than having a rigid offense that players must try to fit into (like square pegs into round holes). That's where I give Smith credit. He seems pretty effective at strategy and play calling and play design. Other than that, he just got out of the way and let the players natural abilities shine. That's what ALL coordinators should do, but not what they most of them do. Many of them have too big egos and it's all about their system. As a result, I think a lot of players never reach their potential or wind up busting.
This is why I'm leery of hiring any coordinators as the next HC. That said, at some point almost all HCs were coordinators beforehand, and of the coordinators on the list so far I prefer Smith, but like Saleh also, it's just that I'm also leery of them hiring yet another DC. Daboll is still in consideration for me as well, but behind the other two. I still prefer Pederson (unless Cowher shakes loose).
also, fwiw, i would be fine with A Smith as the hire. also I would be fine with Saleh as the hire. SInce I Live in the Bay Area.. i have been exposed to Saleh a lot more and have a sort of affininty/respect for the guy.
Yes, coaching a team with Henry does make it easier. But he didn't have to call his number so many times. He could have called for more pass plays to Brown. He could have played some of the other RBs more. Smith deserves credit for seeing the type of player that Henry could be and then using him.
Why in god's name would you become a Jets fan when you have a perfectly good, quality franchise to root for?
hmm. for me, i'd hafta be able to compare to what the OC (Smnith w/ Mariota vs Smith w/ Tannehill) was doing with different players to gauge whether they changed once the different QB came in. from my POV you see a guy like ROman- had Kaep, Tyrod and LJ. Seems the results were directly related to the talent of the QB and the OC was pretty much the same.
Having great performances with Tom Brady and Payton Manning after these guys already became best ever to me while is not a knock, does not really elevate your status. I do think winning mentality and being part of winning organizations is important for a HC, but I would have similar concerns about McDaniels as I would with Bienemy. They might become great, but how much of their success was due to them, and how much due to GOAT level QBs? At the very least it is a question mark. Daboll was with Allen from the start and reached big heights with him, after Allen had A LOT of flaws as a rookie prospect. His previous OC performances were not great, and like you said there was a reason for that, but he didn't become HC on the strength of these. He went to NCAA, then back in NFL as a coordinator. Only now that he achieved elite results with the QB that he groomed who had some major flaws is he considered top HC candidate. Daboll also has a lot of experience around the League and good connections. He deserves to be a top HC consideration. Saleh was able to keep the defense at top 5 in the League with major injures. He has been a winner, went to SB, which I feel is important as well to have a coach who can boast credentials like that. And with his connections, I feel the staff will be top notch. I have not seen Smith go through adversity. He did a good job with Titans leveraging great OL and RB, and simplifying game for Ryan. But both Tannehil and Mariota were talented QBs and Marcus won in playoffs before. He could not win with Marcus, and he did a great job with Ryan (though Gase was so bad, I feel like Ryan basically would have come to live with pretty much anyone). Only been coordinator for two years, with good results (#10 and #12 offenses), but not elite. Coming off a rather poor play-off performance offensively. I don't know if he has connections to assemble a great staff. It just feels like he is a good OC and I want to see more before entrusting him with entire team, assembling staff, leading the organization. Another side concern, I am worried that with Sam also coming off Gase, he may want to try to fix him as well as he did Ryan, and I have seen enough from Sam to realize that it is unlikely that he will make the leap to the same heights. So, long post, but while Arthur is a hot commodity, and might as well be a great coach, but the risk to me outweighs the reward, compared to say someone like Saleh or Daboll.
Roman is supposedly another OC that adapts his offense to his QB and offensive players. I think all OCs have a base system with which they feel the most comfortable and confident, and believe in. Within that system, there can be a broad range of emphases and plays that they "borrowed" from another system, and depending upon the caliber of their QB, receivers, RB, they can change the focus or emphasis of the offense, and use totally different sets of plays. I've read before that many NFL offenses have hundreds of possible plays. That gives a lot of wiggle room where the OC can adapt their offense to fit the talents of his players. For fans this wouldn't be very obvious, and may not be apparent at all. Of course the caliber of player can make all the difference in the success of the offense. Kaep, Tyrod and LJ all play in a similar style or manner, but their abilities are different. Each has his own strengths and things he does well, and things he does less well or doesn't feel comfortable with.
Fair enough. After having worked with Tannehill, I don't think that Smith would choose to work with Sam rather than get a better young QB. Why would he? Tannehill is limited. He's not elite. The same goes for Sam. Fields has the potential to become an elite QB. Wilson and Lance may as well. I'm sure that fixing Tannehill (or at least putting him in a position to maximize his talents) was satisfying, but also probably pretty frustrating as he knows that their offense will always be held back because of Tannehill's limitations. If you were Smith and worked to get the most out of Tannehill, and then couldn't get to the big game and perhaps think you never will with that QB, would you want to work with another similarly limited QB? I know I wouldn't. I'd want one of the rookies in the draft or a trade for Stafford. No way I'd want to work with Sam. I might believe I could fix him, but that doesn't mean that I'd want to risk my HC career on it, especially since I wouldn't be able to work him one-on-one very much, if at all.
And if we do get him, I hope you are right, but still holding out a hope for someone with Saleh/Daboll/Pederson pedigree.
Me too! I trust JD. Right now, I think I could be happy with any of Smith, Daboll, Pederson or Saleh, although I prefer the first 3 due to their offensive background, but Saleh could be the right guy. Hey, Bieniemy could be as well. It is interesting and at least we have something fun and exciting to discuss.
I don't entirely trust nobody! JD seems like a sensible and knowledgeable man, but even he made mistakes, like Anderson. He cannot afford to make a mistake with a coach and I am convinced he has to get a top QB in the draft. These two things are a must. As much as I like JD and so far his every move made a lot of sense (even Anderson fiasco at the time looked like a prudent move), I will be watching the draft with great anticipation as nothing is certain.
just to make it clear to reviosoners of hx, Tannehill was basically the same player for 2 HC/OC guys in Miami. 3 yrs w/ Philbin pre-Gase.
I guess it boils down to character and the things of read and watched so far. Saleh has a lot of his philosophical beliefs on tape. He has a lot of well regarded people clamoring over his ability to manage all three phases of the game, how structured he is, how much respect he garners from his players, he's extremely educated in all three phases, all the while, he puts that pride card In his back pocket to not only acknowledge that he has weakness's as a coach, while he excels at many other areas, he understands he isn't the best at everything. It doesn't have that pride factor that would prevent him from hiring other coaches better than him In certain areas. As a collective. He's been successful as a coordinator on top of It. Has done a lot with whatever he was given. Injuries or not, he didn't make excuses, he made It happen anyway. There has been a lot of talk about the coaches Saleh would certainly bring to the table. Those coaches excite me. I haven't heard anything on that front with, Smith. Has anyone else? Trust me. I want to be wrong on my opinion of, Smith. I'm just not seeing the same things from his peers, his HC, or even his views and beliefs. He is a complete wild card to me. So, you want to be educated with things. You can't always know those crucial facts though. It goes both ways as well. So, I absolutely go with "feeling" with these things because I don't have the same inside scoop as these teams. Obviously. I still use my brain. I research. I use whatever I can find to make a solid conclusion. Right now. I don't see the same type of factual reassurance that I'm currently getting from, Saleh. I'm not doubting Smith as a coordinator. To be clear. I think he has done great things for the Titans over the last decade. ..but If he was on that level as a HC. Why didn't the Titans hire him as their HC at any point during the four different coaching changes? Nobody thinks about that though? I mean, I get you gotta pay your dues, but, If he was that good, why not, Smith? Instead he was kept on because he IS a good coach. Not because he was considered as anything more than a coordinator though. So, I'll keep trying to find more that gets me excited In the same ways that I've found things with, Saleh. I haven't found a lot In that area so far though. You guys can feel free to show me the light. Like I said, I'm not wanting to be a hater. I want us to have the best guy possible. It just looks like Saleh Is the better if the two right now from the outside looking in.
Arthur Smith is either going to be a smashing success or an utter failure at HC for some team. I have a feeling he's a shoe in for the Jets because he and the bobbsy twins probably know each other from country clubs and ski resorts. Honestly I just hope he's Batman.
Could someone PLEASE lock Chris Johnson in a dark room after chaining him to the floor until the coaching search is over?????
Basically, we aren’t gonna have an answer on Smith until at least tomorrow unless someone blows him away.
