The prospect of him taking Gase's old team and winning 7-9 games the first year, to go with what he did with Tannehill after he got out from under Gase, almost makes it must watch tv.
The more I think about it the more I think I agree with this. My current preference would probably be Pederson>Saleh (assuming he brings LaFleur as OC)>Daboll>Brady>Smith. I like Pederson because I think he has the best combination of leadership, experience and offensive acumen. Saleh seems like a great leader but I'm skeptical of a defensive guy. I also think the ideal coaching structure is your HC as playcaller/OC hybrid. It's the only way you're not going to lose your OC to HC jobs every couple years and thus gives the organization far more stability. I think Brady is probably the best scheme guy of the bunch but he's also the lowest on my leadership/experience metric. He just seems too young. Daboll and Smith are slightly lower on the scheme side but slightly higher on leadership/experience.
All good coaches know how to develop a game plan to leverage their best players. Thus it was mostly Henry centric for Smith. It sure would have been a big mistake making it Tanehill centric. I give him ton of credit for the success he had scheming plays with a QB that is more of a game manager. He got the absolute best out of his QB. Not all coordinators have a luxury of an Allen, or Mahomes, or Watson that can always make an OC shine with spectacular drives from broken plays. He damned near got the Titans to the big dance with this offense.
I'm not a fan. I don't get the sense that he will be the guy who is that leader of men type, who can handle all three phases of this team, and steer this team In the right direction. I'm curious what his staff would look like. How many connections does he even have outside of Tennessee? He's been there forever. I'm not overly impressed with his offensive scheme either and It's very dependant on Henry. I understand you gotta work to your strengths and Tannehill did play much better In that scheme than with, Gase. Those are pros I can accept. I don't think those few pros overcome the big picture for me. I don't have a good feeling about, Smith. I was warming up to, Saleh. I hate this shit. It's stressful.
I don't understand the fascination with this guy. Yes, Tannehill blew up under him, but #2 overall pick Mariota didn't really develop. Also, with Gase having Ryan before, not sure how much his improvement has to do with simply with leaving Gase. Actual offensive production is solid in his two years: #12 ranked in 2019 and #10 this year. He got to AFC finals before as a coordinator, but lost in the first round this year. Was a TE coach before. He just sounds like a good OC, but compared to Saleh, just a very underwhelming choice.
Ryan Tanehill passed for 4000 yards and 33 TDS and 9 Interceptions this past year. He likes to run the ball to set up PA pass, you who else runs that type of scheme? Kyle Shanahan. The limitations Artie has is that he doesn’t have a Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady as his QB. Tanehill is not going to pass any team to victory because he’s not a HOF FQB.
I don't know how to feel about Arthur. I think Sam stays as QB if we sign him. I also was keen on Saleh after the buzz picked up
It's a great opportunity for people to lose all sense of reasoning when he leaves without a deal, I for one am looking forward to some more meltdowns.
And those are impressive numbers for sure. I just think he was able to do that because he had the luxury of teams focusing on Henry. We don't have anything in the ballpark of a Henry to run like that. That being said, he got a hell of a lot more out of RT than Gase did so you could look at that in his favor I suppose as well.
My gut says Saleh will be the stronger most complete leader and a more innovative game changer of the bunch, but Smith can definitely be a big upgrade for us. Not sure he is the motivator and developer Saleh seems to be, but he gets the most out of the talent he has.
I could care less about these assistant coaches X's and O's or their offensive or defensive rankings. The issue is can they lead men, can they assemble a competent staff, can they trust and delegate, do they communicate well, are they trustworthy, honest and a role model and can they inspire others. I cannot answer these questions on any of these candidates. Certainly the hype around Saleh made he seem like the type of leader we should be looking for. Hopefully Smith will be just as good. I was really impressed with the names floated around for Saleh's potential staff. Hopefully Smith will do the same. I do like the direction JD is going. Hopefully he will get his top pick. If some reports are true Smith and Saleh are the top 2. If that is the case hopefully we should get a decision tomorrow. I would be pretty excited with either.
My list would include top 3 of yours: Pederson, Saleh, Daboll. Order is hard to determine, but I would be really happy to land either one (assuming JD is good with Pederson). To be honest I would not be super excited about any other choices. We talked before about "player's coach", what exactly it means, whether it is good or not, and at the end of the day the way to have more confidence about someone is by results they deliver. The three guys above are proven leaders, who at some point recently delivered stellar results. They also have connections to assemble great staff. I am just not confident the same can be said about the rest of the candidates, and hoping when it is all said and done, one of the three will be new Jets HC.
I strongly disagree on that point. How do you truly know if they can lead if they haven't produced elite results at their current jobs? Even coordinator position requires great leadership, requires players to trust in you, requires Xs and Os. Ultimately, like Parcells said, you are what your record says. If a coordinator was able to deliver top product in the League, if they have been contributing in great capacity (say as coordinator) to winning teams, it is important, because it gives greater confidence they can do a great job in their new position as well.
Mike Shanahan rode Terrel Davis to two SB, and no one is complaining about that. Jimmy Johnson feasted on the opposition with the most overrated RB of all time Emmit Smith and rode him to multiple playoff and SB victories using play action pass for Troy Aikman. Seattle rode the Marshal Lynch train all the way to the one yard line before deciding to throw a pass that was intercepted and denied them a SB win. There are plenty of examples of SB winning teams that had a great mix of run and pass offense. All I read from this board is how the offense needs to be improved and the draft needs to be offense heavy. Arthur Smith has given all of us proof that his scheme works and you guys are questioning if he’s a viable HC candidate? This board has gone absolutely insane!!!
His scheme works. Every single member of his offense can produce when their number is called. My concern is that Smith is not the "leader of men" type. When I see him I just think "blah".
