The AFC QB's from best to worst. AFC Manning Brady Palmer Rivers Pennington Young Cutler Green McNair Leftwitch/Garrard Losman Frye Harrington Brooks/Walter
Delhomme was much better earlier in the season, but his play has seemed to drop recently, so I can see why it is debatable. I think Eli wouldn't be a good fit on the Jets at all if you were role reversing. I would have no problem dropping him off the list, I guess the mediocrity of it blends the two together.
I'm not a particularly big Chad fan, he's a middle of the road QB it's true. But I do agree with N2K in the sense that it could be a lot worse. Forget about which QB's are having the better statistical seasons. When you go strictly on talent alone I don't see how you can take these flashes in the pan ahead of Chad. Romo is the perfect example. A one read system QB who in an already short sample has proven incapable of beating a team from the pocket. Put him on the Jets, a strictly one dimensional team with no threat of a running game and force him to read and react and see what kind of results you get. Same thing goes for Rivers. Must be real nice having two offensive weapons who are the best at their positions and an underrated set of receivers to throw and hand off to, not to mention an exceptional oline. Yeah Bulgers numbers are great, theres no denying it, but he's a numbers guy and always has been. He learned well from Kurt Warner how to take a sack to avoid any blemishes on the QB rating. Then theres that whole strength of schedule thing (scary NFC West defense) and some guy named Steven Jackson. I don't mean to cut down any of these guys, just to point out their very real limitations and surrounding circumstances that should not be ignored. Again I say this as a non-apologist for Chad and will continue to hold out hope that Clemens develops into at least a serviceable NFL QB. But Chad Pennington, for all his flaws and limitations has lead us to what seems like a sure playoff berth. There is something that needs to be said about that.
Who is better than Chad? Ok, the guys who are clearly better in terms of performance right now are: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Donovan McNabb, Carson Palmer, Marc Bulger, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady and J.P Losman. These are the guys who have flatout performed better than Chad this year in enough broad dimensions that their QB rating significantly surpasses his. I left out the guys with half seasons or who are close enough that historical data should also be taken into account. In terms of the real question though, which is who represents more value at the QB position than Chad, the list is both tighter and more expansive and takes into account who has greater upside by virtue of youth and who has a proven capacity to lead teams to very strong results. That list is as follows: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger (can't discount 15-1 in 2004 nor a Super Bowl win last year), Marc Bulger (a dominant QB for half a decade now) and Drew Brees (has led two teams to very strong results now in SD and NO.) Those are the guys who are just clearly better QB's than Chad. Now you have the next tier of players lead by Donovan McNabb (unfortunately his injury prevents him from being in the elite group at this point in terms of real value), Matt Hasselbeck, Tony Romo (young and unproven but having a breakout type season), J.P. Losman (ditto), David Carr (who knows what he's worth at this point but I'd take him as my QB over a journeyman in a heartbeat), Eli Manning, Matt Leinart, Brian Grossman, Byron Leftwich and Chad, not in that order. That makes Chad probably somewhere between the 10th and the 16th QB in the league on real value. He's definitely not chopped liver but he's also a position that could be upgraded if the Jets chose to do so.
There may be QB's in the league that are "better" than Chad, but you know what? Chad has his great qualities, and I'm happy he is the Jets QB. He is a natural born leader, and whether some may disagree or not, he can drive the offense down the field and into the endzone. He may not be consistent every week, but when you need him to come through, it's hard to argue that he doesn't (or that he doesn't try to).
My sole problem with Chad revolves around his inability to play well against excellent opponents and the resulting inability to cope with real adversity and overcome it. I have no idea if the stat bandied about on Monday night was true, but if it is true that the Jets have not managed to come back from 8 points down under his command that is a truly telling statistic. That essentially says if you score a TD and kick a FG before the Jets have put a point on the board you will beat them. No team is every going to be very strong if those are the facts.
How are you going to drop McNair so low? If anything, he is right above Chad, or right below. And Trent Green should be on the bottom of the list.
Going through the list of starters (or who should be, if healthy...). This is at THIS POINT IN THEIR CAREER. I put + and - next to guys that could jump lists in the near future Better: Brady P Manning Young (can do so much) Palmer Rivers Cutler McNabb Romo Brees Hasselbeck Bulger About the same: -Carr -Roethlisberger McNair (now) Green +Campbell Favre (NOW!! don't freak) Grossman -Delhomme +Leinart +Simms Worse: Culpepper/Harrington +Losman Gerrard Frye Brooks +E Manning B Johnson Kitna Vick A Smith
I think Pennington probably belongs in the stays the same section of that chart but I do believe he could move up and get better if he could complete a few seasons as a QB
uh, crazy. chad isnt in bradys league. i love chad, and i will stand behind him, and i believe in the guy. but if im honest, id give up chad for brady in a heartbeat. no ifs ands or buts about it. if you break it down, there arent many qbs with the mental ability that chad has. but pure physical skills....chads lacking....and yes, its behind most of the league. chad is a solid qb, but he isnt great. i have a penny jersey...i believe in him, i do. but if youre going to be honest, then honestly....
all that matters all that matters right now is that CP is better than any other QB on the jets roster.
Here's my list. This is guys that if I wanted to win a game tomorrow (so McNabb isn't included because he can't play now), I would take over Pennington. Has nothing to do with what they could be in the future, or what they were in the past. And this is in no order, just all these guys I'd want QB'ing over Chad for this year: Peyton Manning Drew Brees Carson Palmer Marc Bulger Philip Rivers Tom Brady Guys I'm not really sure about or I think they are at the same level now: Tony Romo Steve McNair Michael Vick Matt Hasselback Ben Roethlisberger Romo started hot, but hasn't played well lately. McNair has been very inconsistent. Vick is close, he's a winner, and he's never had a lot of talented receivers around him, but he's also inconsistent. Chad has outplayed Ben and Hassleback this year so far, but they are both better for there careers, and went to the superbowl just last year so they are close. Everyone else I'd take Chad over right now.
dude, vick? i thought we were talking about QBs....as an actual qb vick is in the bottom 3rd. phenominal athlete, shit qb.
Does he line up behind center and take the snap? Than he is a QB. Don't understand why so many people bash Vick. Is he the best in the league? No, but he's not the worst either like people say. When he's allowed to be himself and move around he can be productive. I don't care how he does it, I want a quarterback who can move the ball and win games and I think he can do that. I also think he'll end up being a more productive passer if they can get him in a system that actually suits him giving him a lot of freedom to move around and make plays, and if they get some receivers who can catch the ball.
If they said that on the broadcast yesterday they were wrong. The Jets under Pennington have come back at least twice from such deficits (2003 against the Raiders 21-10 and 2004 against the 49ers 14-0).
Steve Young, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Trent Green, Rich Gannon, John Elway, Philip Rivers, Drew Bledsoe (still top 10 when Belichik traded him the first time), Boomer Esiason, Marc Brunell (Green Bay to Jacksonville), Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton and many more. They all were top 10 before or after changing teams, in some cases in draft day deals after being drafted. The point is that if you are determined to upgrade your QB position and willing to spend value to do it in the form of trades or high draft picks you can often move up from a low to mid teens QB to a much higher spot. Recent teams that have done that include Indianapolis, New Orleans, Oakland, Green Bay, Jacksonville, San Diego, Kansas City, and many more.
please, don't think of eli in a group better than chad. i mean, at least rookie mistakes that chad made were as a rookie
Come one man, how often have you actually concentrated on Pennington during the play. Sure his passes may be accurate, but they hang in the air, even on short passes which he obviously favors. Chad also doesnt step into his throws enough or involve his waist and pelvic muscles enough to get more power.
