Day After POSITIVES

time will tell, at this point were just arguing about something neither of us can prove and thats kind of a waste of time.

 

I don’t think we need to prove anything to each other, we are just debating ideas. I hope Sam plays well enough that we have to pay him $20 million, but if his actual performance doesn’t warrant it, nobody is going to pay him that on potential at that point.

 

Yeah...that would be a creative approach

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I don't think the fanbase would buy Sam staying and starting, either. Yes, there are several posters here who love Sam, still believe in him, and think he should be back, but I'd bet that the majority of posters wouldn't want Sam back. They'd either prefer a rookie starting or a vet QB who can play at a competent level.

It doesn't really matter where they're drafting in 2022 or 2023. A QB they like could be sitting there at their pick just like Mahomes and Watson were in 2017, or Douglas could trade up. Remember that he already has additional draft picks in 2022 that he could use to move up, and he could add additional picks in 2021 to use as well. He could trade Sam and get at least a 4th or 3rd, and maybe higher, and could trade down from #2 and pick up a 1st in 2022 and maybe a 2nd as well that he could use towards getting a QB.

How is it nutso to go with a competent QB like Taylor, Colt McCoy, or Ryan Fitzpatrick, yet sane to stick with a QB whose fundamentals are a mess, can't read a D, whose decision making sucks, who doesn't learn from his mistakes, whose confidence is shot, and who is inaccurate?

 

Good post. Following are my thoughts.

1. I think Sam needs a change of scenery, and likely needs to sit for a while in order to focus on fixing his fundamentals and his ability to read Ds. It's very difficult, if not impossible, to make changes to basic fundamentals while having to perform every week. Sam needs focused one-on-one work with a QB coach on his fundamentals, decision making, and spending a lot of time working on reading Ds. If he's having to get ready each and worry about learning a new offense and developing timing with receivers, that's not going to happen.

2. We'll still be rebuilding and will be starting fresh with a new HC, so the timing is right to move on from Sam. I don't think that Sam is the answer and we're ultimately going to be starting over at QB anyway. I think the fairest and best thing to do for all concerned is to go ahead and cut the cord, and move on. I think that we'd get at least a 3rd, maybe a 2nd, and if more than one team has interest in Sam, then we could wind up with a 1st or a 2nd and 5th or something like that. The key thing is resetting the QB salary scale. We can't reward Sam by picking up the 5th year option in May.

3. If we draft a rookie, particularly in the 1st, and maybe even the 2nd round, we're making a commitment of sorts to him. Thus, I don't think there would be any keeping Sam after next season, unless the rookie QB didn't look good and the light suddenly went on for Sam. Sam would also have to agree to an extension or signing a new contract, and I don't think he'd do it. If he stays and has a great season next year, he will want to test FA (and his agent would insist upon it!). I seriously doubt if he would re-sign with us after we almost ruined his career and then didn't pick up his 5th year option because we didn't like him enough. The only way I think we keep Sam is if Douglas doesn't get a decent offer for Sam prior to the draft. Then I think JD might keep him, try to fix him, then showcase him in preseason and hope another team's starting QB goes down.

 

I disagree. Sunday was not good. That is a very low bar for our starting QB. I want better than that. Besides, I don't think that Sam would re-sign with us after what has already happened.

 

Why would he do that? This team has almost ruined his career. He'd make more money next year, but would lose money in 2022 over the deal he already has. If he plays well these last two starts, he could possibly make a lot more in a deal with a new team. If I was him and the Jets didn't trade me, I'd bet on myself and play in 2021, but wouldn't re-sign with the Jets. I'd test the FA waters. I'd bet that some other team would pay me more and it would be a better situation.

 

I think the "change of scenery" can be handled by changing those surrounding him while keeping him in the same place. This keeps him from needing to adapt to a whole new location and team while he's adapting his game. The coaching aspect is one that has been discussed so little it is truly surprising. I don't think we can find a man here who who believes the Bates/Gase continuum has been at all successful. I also wonder exactly what and how has the team supported Darnold in making him better. I remember hearing that Darnold said he wasn't interested in changing his mechanics but did anyone point out to him why that's exactly what needed to happen? Have the Jets used any advanced techniques such as body and movement mapping to help him understand where changes in his footwork and motion were hampering his game?

One would expect that every NFL team uses advanced technology and virtual reality to train QB eye movement and timing to better see the field, see the defense and identify the right receiver - but have they? I've never seen that discussed. Darnold needs work on his feet, his arm and his head. Can the Jets get the right QB guy in there to accomplish this?

 

I'm not as disappointed as some primarily because I had a hard time buying in. Not that Trevor isn't the best (he is and I'd take him in a heart beat), but I just didn't buy that the Jets were the worse team in the league. I saw others (revision, brook, dwc, and many, many more) going all in on Trevor starting about mid season, praying for the Jets to keep losing. Tying their total emotions, heart, soul, future to Trevor saving the Jets. But that required the Jets to go winless.

They let Trevor's shine blind them to the reality that the Jets are NOT the worse team, and will most likely win a game or more as the season progressed. We're far from the best team, but we're far from the worse team too. We HAVE a QB. We HAVE a LT. We HAVE a pass disruptor. We HAVE talented young players that just need playing time. We have cap $s and good draft cap. Our future is at least good, if not bright. And that's w/o Trevor. Can't say the same for the Jags. Or the 9ers, vikings, 'skins, giants, on and on.

I saw a young team, a new oline with a raw, rookie LT, no preseason games, zero players allowed in the building all season (unlike other teams), injured players including our own QB, toughest sch in the nfl, toughest travel sch, on and on. I knew it would take time for the oline to jell. Take time for players to heal and get back. I didn't know when we'd win a game, but I was fairly certain we would as the season wore on. And that's what made it impossible for me to go 100.00% in on the tank.

So ya, if this fucked up covid19 season delivers Trevor to us on a silver plater, fantastic! But if not, ever onwards.

 

Yeah the week after getting rolled by a so-so Seahawk defense. Get rid of Gase and pray the Jags have some sack this Sunday.

 

I do believe there is a very realistic scenario exactly along those lines, where he sticks around if we don’t trade him, does not sign an extension and tries to prove himself. But unlike most here, I do believe Gase literally sunk his career, yet I’m not quite ready to declare him a bust yet. Pair him with a good HC, and he will be a starter....somewhere in the NFL.

 

Only the Jets could go 1-15 and not get the #1 overall pick.

 

He's not getting the fifth year option. I can't see any way the Jets use that option in the off season so I don't think that is in any way relevant. That means he only has about 9m left on his deal effectively. This is a better deal than he has in reality. Two years instead of one at a slightly higher rate and the same team option at the end. He might get more as a FA if he gambles on himself but he might get less too, especially in the current market. Take the guaranteed deal on the table or take a big gamble on himself and risk a lot of money. I'm not sure he gets more than that if he moves on from the Jets. At least not until he's proven himself (if he can).

 

Take Lance instead of Trask, you can turn Lance into the next Hurts.

 

Being a Jets fan is like being in an abusive relationship.

get hit, then defend the abuser

 

I basically agree with you regarding the option and what Sam might get in FA. I'm just not convinced that the Jets should keep him. I think the best thing for the Jets is probably to move on, and it's almost certainly the best thing for Sam.

 

After watching Zach Wilson I’m not as depressed about Lawrence