I'm playing devil's advocate here. We keep blaming Gase for so many things, yet these rookies are shining and improving under Gase. Darnold isn't thriving and we keep making excuses for him: not enough talent, poor coaching, etc. If the rookies can thrive in this supposedly horrible environment with so-called horrible coaching, why can't Darnold and other supposedly talented players thrive? Think about that a little.
While it’s certainly possible that all this is on Darnold I think it’s more to do with how Gase doesn’t utilize his strengths. I think Gase did have some influence on this years acquisitions and they seem to be doing well under him tor the most part. OTOH it appears that most of Macagnans players are struggling/are no longer with the team(with the main exception being Quinnen). I think for what Gase likes to do he is fundamentally sound. Run a dated offense like Flacco is familiar with where he pushes the ball down field and they call lots of runs with a one cut style or running back. The problem is Gase doesn’t adjust at all and is a bad communicator. He is so poor at these things that he is about to take a team to 0-16 when we aren’t this bad on paper.
Uh, maybe because QB is THE most difficult position to master? Think about that a little. And also think about the fact that Gase was hired primarily to make Darnold better, but instead he's gotten worse. Meaning that Darnold didn't suck before Gase got here, but regressed with Gase "whispering" in his ear.
Can you tell me what Darnold's strengths are? And don't tell me operating on the run because we run plenty of bootleg actions and such over the past two years with him. You can't run a bootleg every play. Gase is a bad football coach. There's no disputing that. But maybe Darnold is a bad football player too?
I remember commenting even before training asking is it worng to be excited about a punter. I like Mann and I'm glad Douglas took him. Now I haven't been watching alot of the Jets what is wrong with Zuniga?
Good and valid question. IMO it's because players are different. In Mim's case, he may be improving or developing some, but he already could play at this level. He was just injured and couldn't practice or play for most of the season. Becton was great day one. The same thing goes for him. So, it's not like they were so bad in TC that they couldn't see the field, and have been coached up, and now can play well. Hopefully both continue to develop and learn, but a lot of that happens by playing and getting in a groove or rhythm, and some comes from coaching. The same thing goes for Perriman. He already knew how to play well as evidenced by his play last season. He just wasn't healthy and able to play earlier. Supposedly, Gase has been working with Sam one-on-one, and Sam is regressing, so maybe what Gase is telling Sam is all wrong, or at least all wrong for Sam. Other posters have said that this isn't he right offense for Sam. That would make a huge difference for a QB, but not so much for a WR or LT. In spite of what Loggains said about Sam being mentally tough, I don't think he is. I think his confidence is shot. He may talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, it's obvious that he's pressing, not relaxed, not poised, and doesn't look confident at all. Q. Williams worked hard during the offseason to get into better shape and learn from his mistakes from last season, so it's not a real surprise that he's playing at a much higher level. He was always very talented and hyped as a great prospect/player.
You might have a case - might - if you were talking about people on the offense. If they play on the defense I doubt if Gase even knows their names.
I read somewhere that GW moved Maye to the box early, and he didn't do too good, so he got moved back to FS, where he's doing much better, as expected. Plus that other safety we go for Jamal hasn't panned out, so Davis gets the box if he wants it or not! For now.
That other safety didn't pan out as he slagged off the training sessions and I don't think he got much game time after that, he made a huge fuck up right after his outburst as well and then I can't remember seeing him again. But then again I wasn't looking for him either lol
I think he may be on IR but not certain. He started out OK, but never really got any traction. With so many rooks on D, it would have been nice to have a few vets (Maye and one other). It seems odd counting Maye as one of our seasoned vets being he's still on his rookie deal!
No, I do not think he been active all year and it is unlikely he will be this year. He is supposed to be a project and all reports say he needs to sit especially in a year like 2020 with no TC or pre-season. Although with Rotten injured who knows maybe he will be active in one of these last games.
becton looked pretty average yesterday. his feet looked slow and he got beat around the edge a few times. it was odd for him but i am willing to bet he is tiring as the season continues on.. i like him mims looks ok, he seems like he is always uncomfortable. very thin and body hasnt held up well thus far. he has a ton of potential though. i like him. perine is i believe on ir, had only 55 rushes and averaged 3.7 yards per rush. he never looked like he popped off the screen, adams looked like he popped yesterday and that was the first time all season a back has looked like he popped. its too bad the old man had to get hurt before anyone got legitimate carries. davis is just another guy. 3 years and we will see what happens. he is ALSO hurt. may be done for the season with a foot injury.
On Becton, how hurt is he though? I'm guessing he has been playing through a few minor injuries, he was off the field again yesterday for 3 or 4 plays. He had the one howler and he was beaten again but the guy didn't get to Sam, still a rookie and even if he wasn't people get beaten occasionally, nobody can be 100% perfect all the time, if a tackle doesn't get beat then what does that say about the rusher? You mention Adams but not Johnson who ran for 100 yards and a TD
Becton got beat twice, it happens, plus all the dominant runs mostly went towards his side...he was still good. lol how is Mims thin? He's around 210 and takes on contact when he can, I don't know what you are talking about here. Clark may get a chance here. Van Roten got hurt and Lewis is still out with looks like personal issues. Depending on if the Jets stick with Andrews at RG, Clark is now the top backup at guard now, he surely will be active alongside Murray who they just moved up from the PS.
who knows on becton, i hadnt seen that happen much this year but did see it those 2 times yesterday. im not worried about it but it warrants being mentioned. he is a big big man. might be better served weighing 20 lbs less. maybe not. so far his future looks very bright. as i said i like him. i mentioned adams because he averaged almost 10 yards a carry and really popped. johnson played well as well, not knocking him. just thought adams looked good.
mims just looks thin to me. hes 6'3 so 207 isnt what it would be if he were 5'11. hes not at the top end of normal range when looking at a normal adult human being. its not a big deal, i do worry about him staying healthy though. another kid i like and hopefully has a bright future.
I think Lewis personal issues is disGrASE fucking him over for some reason--maybe he said he still wants to play after Elflein was brought in and dumbass took that for insubordination.
Becton, Mims and Mann are good players. Becton could be great , we will learn alot about him as he starts yr 2 . Mims is a good wideout , he is rated and preforming as exactly a player should at that draft position. Mann has punted very well. Joe Douglass had an average to good draft. Teams like the dolphins and steelers etc had very good drafts This is early data and we do not know how these might work out long term. My point is why does everybody believe JD is the answer?He agreed to join this mess and has only overseen it to become worst. Jamal Adams trade will net us 2 low-level 1st rd picks. I watched Jamal yesterday against the Giants. He is the seattle defense. The guy has missed numerous games yet has 7 sacks. Last yr he was the heart of our defense and I watched him make similiar plays yesterday. He is a player that you must account for and plays with heart. The chances that we will be able to match his talent with the picks we got from him are slim to none. Yes he plays Safety, but is a hybrid that is as valuable as an outside linebacker.Drafting in the late 20s we might get 1 good starter and decent rookie contract player. Not a difference-maker As far as free agents Joe has done a horrible job, from chasing Khahli, Osemule mess, not resigning Robbie. Who has he hit on? This is the guy that we are choosing to build our future on He agreed to come to a team , where most of the media could not tell you who fired Greg Williams for a good part of the day. If I am a good GM,captain of an 0-12 ship. It is time to step up.;If you do not have the power to be in charge right now of this mess and start to fix it you never will. There is a void of leadership and Adam Gase keeps stepping up for it (he sucks at it).
