Studs Sam Darnold - Don't worry he's going to be listed as a dud as well, but outside of the INT and 2 fumbles he actually played a really good game. He did throw for 2 TDs and rushed for 1 despite only throwing 23 times. Also converted a 2pt converison. Crowder - only had 5 catches for 47 yards but did have 2 TDs Ty Johnson - 1st jets 100 yard rusher in 2 years. He looks good out there. also added a TD and 2 catches. needs to work on blitz pick ups though Josh Adams - working as the backup due to the gore injury, he ran 8 times for 74 yards a 9.3 average O-line - as a team we ran for over 200 yards and sam had good time to throw. the o-line performed very well. becton outside of getting beat once for a sack/FF was really good again. even the best get beat once in a while it happens he was still amazing this game. Q. Williams - a sack a TFL and was disruptive all game. he's been a top 5 IDL this season hewitt - 12 tackles a sack and a TFL. Franklin-myers - Didn't register a stat but was disruptive all game. I looked up his PFF pressures and he had 10 of them. as a situationall rusher he's been pretty dam good. on the season he has a 16.7% pressure rate 2nd in the NFL for IDL behind only aaron donald Marcus maye - was flying around everywhere. had the whiff on a tackle once on waller but outside of that played a great game Guidry - a suprise really good game. He forced 2 fumbles, but more-so for his coverage. He did have a bad penalty at the end of the game that hurt though Maulet - had the INT off the deflection and looked solid out there overall Duds Sam Darnold - his turnovers kill us. the INT was awful and had 2 fumbles in the pocket both lost. Gase - again awful playcalling and awful job overall. IDK why we never try a fade to mims. It took gore getting hurt for us to have a run game finally. johnson and adams are our best 2 backs and gase never used them. plus 0-12 now. Also refuses to throw the ball anymore. he's turning us into the rex ryan sanchez offense but without the run game and defense ryan had Greg williams - kinda beating a dead horse. so much for the jets don't fire coaches midseason stuff. which makes me worry about us keeping gase even more. we fired him after the game for the 0 cover blitz on the final play but haven't fired gase for the inept offense? lamar jackson - I know he's an UDFA CB but how to you bite on that. give a big cusion tackle him in bounds let him make the catch. you don't let the WR get behind you like that in that situation. Castillo - another missed XP. not looking like the guy anymore. Harvey langi - not completly his fault but was totally abused by waller all game. GW gets some blame here for not adjusting. langi just can't cover waller and everyone knew it
How messed up is this season? I almost had to add "we made a great defensive stand" to my list of painful Jet memories. The Raiders defensive line is crap. I dont expect them to make the playoffs unless that improves.
I love how Sam's "really good game" is still a bad game lol. Even if we act like he didn't turn the ball over yesterday, under 200 yards passing and 3 TD's is not a "really good game". And that's if we pretend his 3 turnovers don't exist. I hereby vote to remove him as a stud.
If the QB delivers that throw correctly there is 0 chance for the DB to grab it. Sam threw to the wrong side of the receiver.
Can't really agree about Gase in this game - you can't rightly castigate him for never using young RBs all season and then call him a dud when they were the basis of the offense with over 200 yards rushing in this game. Given that, minimizing Darnold's exposure was also a good idea, since the more he drops back to pass, the more turnovers are going to happen. It's very possible that if Gore hadn't gone out this would have been another 25 carries for 75 yards game for him, but the fact is that it wasn't. The Jets offense averaged 6.5 yards per play in the game, which is what the Chiefs average per game. Unlike in most games, Gase is to me way down on the list of goats in this game.
Was looking forward to this thread couple of observations...our running game was night and day different...it took an injury to Gire to force Gase’s hand, but we looked SO much faster and quicker....outside runs worked better, we broke some, and we finally had a 100 yard rusher. Gore should not get any more carries, and I think Gase is absolutely a dud for sticking with Gore. The only point I’ll concede in this is that Jackson totally whiffed on that one blitz pickup that resulted in a sack on a rush up the middle ... Gore probably makes that play. But still...sticking with a 37 year old RB on a winless team is criminal. Fuck Gase. Becton....this was his first bad game I think...he got beat by Ferrell twice, and those were Ferrell’s first two sacks of the year. I was surprised because Becton has been so solid in pass protection, but he got beat a couple times yesterday and it led to strip sacks. I’d have to rewatch to see the rest, and there were a lot of runs to the left side...but I guess it’s a good sign that it’s so shocking to see Becton give up pressure.... agree on Hewitt as a stud...he’s been all over the place. I still have a problem with Mosley opting out after missing all of last year, enough that I wouldn’t have a problem cutting him, but Hewitt is playing well in his place.
he's a dud for running gore over them the whole season. also just because we had a good running game doesn't mean he called a good game. he got bailed out by a gore injury or we would have had 60 yards running
By that logic a QB who completes 70% of his passes for 300 yards and 3 TDs after being lousy all season gets no credit for having a good game. That would be the same as giving the offensive line no credit for having a good game yesterday because they've been putrid most of the season. The fact is that the team didn't have 60 yards rushing, Gase did call a game with the right mix of runs and passes, and the Jets did have a very effective offense in the game; calling the offensive playcaller a dud in that situation is inaccurate. Firing Gase for his terrible work all season is perfectly reasonable, but what happened in the previous games has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in this game.
only 186 yards but he also only threw the ball 23 times. we ran 32 times for over 200 yards. gase was clearly playing ball control and running and to be fair it was working. the other 2 plays were called passes but sam scrambled instead for yards He threw 7 to crowder completing 5 2 for TDs he completed 2 of 3 to mims he completed 2 of 2 to ty, griffin and berrios each only bad target was perriman where he completed 1 of 4 and had an INT. the other 3 were throwaways He also ran in for a TD
I think you don't understand the logic. if a QB say fitzpatrick who is old and has a young player behind him sucked all season. and everyone in the world knew he should be benched. he gets hurt, the young players comes in and balls how does the coach get credit for refusing to use a much better player in favor of an old washed up vet? Also 28 points and under 400 total yards is pretty average. far form effective. the NFL average right now is about 25PPG and 365 YPG we had 28 points and 376 yards. slightly above average far from great. On top of that the raiders on average allow 28.9PPG and 378 YPG we basically we completly average against their defense 20th
Sam's YPA number yesterday, if extrapolated for the entire year, would put Sam as ranked 10-15 in YPA on the year. And it was by far Sam's highest YPA game all year. That's my point with Sam. We overrate him so much as a fanbase that we don't realize that even his "good" games are average by objective standards. Sam had a bad game, it was just a lot better than his usual game. That's how bad he is. It's the same argument I've always made for Sam - even his ceiling is just average. 99% of the evidence says he's among the worst QB's in the NFL. And if Sam had more attempts yesterday you can bet he'd probably have had another INT in there somewhere.
He got beat once. the 2nd one wasn't his fault from what I seen. ferell lined up on the inside against elfien on that play, he ran into elfein then bounced outside of him and beckton blocking his man. I also from what i seen on the becton breakdowns is the jets have him doing too much for a rookie. he's always helping the LG or TE. the C should be helping the LG and becton should be on an island. Giving up 1 sack but no othe rpressures plus dominating the run game to allow us 200 yards on the ground is a good game IMO despite the 1 play he got beat on
Sam has been bad all year. I don't disagree. but the o-line hasn't been good or healthy overall. it's had good games here and there. D is bad we've been playing from behind all year. no run game with 37 year old gore. and his starting WRs were josh morgan (cut) Chris hogan (cut) and jeff smith (burried on depth chart and doens't play) he's had scrub tier WRs to throw to, no o-line, herndon has been bad this year. it's really a bad situation to put so much on sam. The only bright side is we have enough capital to improve the team a lot and if we can stay healthy we can be good next year even with sam but likely with tlaw and a vet backup. there is still a good chance we fall to 2 and wind up with fields or trading down and keeping sam.
That was moreso an amazing play by the DB then a bad throw by Sam. Could he have placed it better? Yes. But Perriman didn’t run that route hard enough and the DB one handed snagged the throw. Becton somehow got beat by a guy who had like 1 sack on the year lol but he still held up in pass pro. Plus all the big time runs were toward his side. Him and Eflilein seem to be doing quite well on the left side of the line. And Gase totally gets a dud for consistently running Gore who’s a 3 yard guy and nothing more. Ty and Josh had juice, we finally had big chunk plays in the running game! Who knows how they would have done throughout the year but having fresh legs, you can start to have your playaction be more effective. Though there’s that play where Sam got destroyed where Ty completely missed his block with bad timing. There’s a reason they started to use a TE to help in the backfield in pass pro.
You didn't say the offense was average. You said "again awful playcalling and awful job overall." That is simply untrue, as you're now acknowledging. Gase is an awful coach. Gase didn't have a bad game yesterday. The two don't contradict each other.
It was a terrible decision and a terrible throw. If Sam puts it on the opposite side, it’s still batted down but probably not an INT. There is no sugar coating it. At no point in that route was the receiver open.
I'm in this camp: "In another example of disGrASE's incompetence, his decision to keep the young RB's on the bench for weeks was shown to be utterly ridiculous when he was forced to put them into the game due to Gore's injury"
the play calling was awful though. just because we got lucky to put up average numbers doesn't mean the play-calling wasn't bad
