4-3 defense next year?

I for one would welcome the switch to a 4-3. It's easier to find players for it, and I agree that many of the personnel we have on D would fit it. I think it would be a better fit for Cashman and Huff, and I think Q. Williams would fare very well as a 3T DT. I hate the 3-4 and always have.

The problems with finding players for our present system is finding players who are versatile enough to play both a 3-4 or 4-3, and then often times they may be jack of all trades, but masters of none. Sometimes too, there are very good players who aren't that cerebral, but by the time they get to the NFL they know how to play in whatever D alignment they've been playing for most of their lives. Asking those players to learn complex responsibilities in two systems is asking for trouble, and it can take longer for new players to learn the system and adapt. Having one D alignment would simplify matters greatly.

I'm all for the switch to 4-3.

 

It's way easier to find 280 lb linemen and 245 lb linebackers than it is to find the 300 lbers and quick 260 lbers that a 3-4 really needs.

 

The way this roster is on D, it makes no difference and should be a smoother transition.

The talent that we do have (just some) would fit on a 4-3.

Looking forward to seeing the back of D HC gregg williams.

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I personally don't care if it's a 3-4 or 4-3 as long as Gregg Williams isn't here to coach our kids on Defense (although I've always loved dominant 3-4 D's).

His blitz packages are no longer "exotic" and NFL OCs have picked up on his blitzing mentality and he's became stale just as Rex became stale after 2009/2010; his blitz packages were figured out and no longer effective (same with Gregg as he's became exposed without Jamal as nothing more than mediocre).

I never wanted Gregg here to begin with I tried to give him a chance but I just hate everything about him and hate how he's not banned from the NFL.

You think Jet players on Defense respect him? They don't. How can you respect a man (a coward) who forced awesome young kids like Vilma (and many others) into intentionally trying to ruin the careers of their peers (opposing players) while paying them for not only trying to injure opposing players but to go as far as paying them for ACL tears and season ending injuries? You can't respect that!

Our Defense is undisciplined and that's because Gregg is not only an undisciplined person but he's an absolute disgusting loser who doesn't deserve to coach good kids, ever again. He's an absolutely disgusting, scumbag.

 

I've always disliked the 3-4. As others have already said, I think it's easier to find players for the 4-3 than the 3-4. I really hope they make the switch.

 

The 4-3 isn't easy to build up either.

You need a sideline to sideline type of Vilma MLB.
You need pass rushing DE's like Feeeney/Mathis of INDY or Abraham/Ellis of NYJ.

You need monster DTs like Marcus Stroud/John Henderson of Jax.

And then you need two OLBs who are strong in pass coverage.

There is more to an awesome 4-3 Defense than some may or may not realize.

With a 3-4 Defense easier said than done but you simply need a monster NT and two outside pass rushing freaks and two thumping IMLB's and your 3-4 is ready to dominate (with your two DE's as edge setters against the run).

The problem with a 4-3 D is when it's bad, it's really really bad and not easy to start over from scratch with.

Mosley as 4-3 MLB and QW as 1/2 of our DT is a good start but who's going to become our two pass rushing 4-3 DE freaks? Who's our two pass coverage and ATHLETIC OLB's? Won't be easy.

 

There should be no push to lock the team into one or the other in the 21st century. Situational football should be the rule of the day - you do what needs to be done and you never let the opponent know what to expect. Since the team is looking to replace almost every guy on the field anyway they need to value versatility.

 

When Todd Bowels was asked about 34 vs 43 he said it doesn't really matter bc the jets ran both about 50-50.

 

Don't know about bookend, I'd just like to see Zuniga on the field or did I miss him last week?

 

And we can see the results.

Sure you can run a 3-4 or a 4-3 with the same personnel, but will either be as effective as they might be? Not likely. Certain players are better suited to one over the other. Asking them play in a formation that isn't to their strength is classic Jets.

 

He played a handful of plays.

The issue here is really nickel packages because most the time you are in those type sets in today's NFL unless you play a smashmouth type team. Zuniga has a long way to go to prove to be a viable option as a 4-3 end. I need to see more. Huff seems better suited with his hand in the dirt so he could be a rotational piece as a 43 end. Jenkins is a no go, I don't feel he has the speed or pass rush ability to be a 43 end. JFM should be a good tandem with Quinnen on the inside. LB wise I feel Cashman has the speed to be a 4-3 OLB but he's been quite injury prone

 

we seen to have this conversation every year

 

No.

How many plays over the last 3- to 5-seasons have teams actually lined up in a 4-3 or 3-4? The answer is very damn few. Teams line up in 4-2 and 3-3 plenty, and they line up in 4-1 and 3-2 plenty, too. Defenses put all 7 of their "front 7" on the field about as often as offenses line up with a Full Back and a Tight End. Not very often.

If you want to talk about a 3-man front vs a 4-man front, that's legitimate, but 4-3 vs 3-4 is obsolete.

 

I never liked the 3-4 defense. Especially the Jets version which generates no pass rush and stops no running game. 4-3 seems like everyone is one on one with their opponent and that is what you want. You beat your guy your chances of making a play increases. I would be all in on 4-3.

 

The Jets already run a hybrid odd/even front.

3 man front is primarily a run stopping front while 4 man front a bit more pass rush focused.

Quinnen Williams already plays 5 Tech and 3 Tech at different times. He is very effective at 5 Tech right now and the only reason he doesn’t have more stats at 3 Tech is because there is no Edge Rush presence, and no scheme change is suddenly gonna make the current Edge players become stud pass rushers. Huff or Zuniga might get there but I think the real answer is to just invest a high draft pick in a true bendy outside rusher. A guy who can play Rush LB would be the right move.

This would both drastically improve Edge Rush production but also help improve Interior Rush production.

 

It’s been 9 consecutive years of post wanting to see the latest first round dt play the 3t.
No exaggeration

 

Todd's the DC in Tampa with a top D. He's doing something right

 

Most of the best defenses in the league this year are hybrids with higher than average usage of 3 man fronts. Not just this year but in general as well.

Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Tampa Bay
Miami
Arizona
Denver
Chicago

All top 11 DVOA this year.

I kind of doubt the Jets will move away from this with Douglas around, particularly since the most successful franchises over the last 20 years (BAL, NE, PIT) all run a variation of this and all happen to consistently have top defenses. They just also have had players like Za’Darious Smith, Matt Judon, Terrell Suggs, Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins, Trey Flowers, TJ Watt, Bud Dupree, James Harrison, etc and the Jets have had... Calvin Pace? Jordan Jenkins? Aaron Maybin?

That has to be changed this year in the draft with a guy like Kwitty Paye, or Quincy Roche.

 

I’ll just be happy playing any defense next year.