1st pick haul

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  1. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    true enough...Mo Wilk and Revis totally mailed it in after getting the large guaranteed money. I guess you could say the about Mosely this year...taking a $10M ROSTER bonus and then sitting out the year.
     
  2. blackssmagic

    blackssmagic Well-Known Member

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    I think we have all seen dozens of prospects that are labeled cant miss or the best ever. The issue is no matter the sport we can not guarantee that the prospect will pan out. My mindset has always been the "bird in the hand is better than two in the bush"..granted we probably dont have a bird in the hand
     
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  3. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    Anderson wouldn't be the 2nd leading WR here, no matter the QB, because Gase has never called a route that goes past the line of scrimmage in his life.

    If Gase coached the the 1980's 49ers, Montana to Rice would have averaged 1.2 yards per pass reception.
     
  4. REVISion

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    That's part of it, but you have to acknowledge that Sam is part of it too. He is not an accurate QB.

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Have you guys been watching the same Sam I have the past 2.5 years? He misses a ton of open receivers.
     
  5. Cromartie's_kid

    Cromartie's_kid Well-Known Member

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    didn’t Dalvin cook sign a five year extension?
     
  6. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    You know. You're right I just went to wiki he signed the extension last month.

    Even more reason for me to hate Macc for taking Marcus Maye over an electric offensive dual threat playmaker in Cook 2nd round.

    I really hope we end up trading Maye for a 3rd or 4th rounder and use it on an offensive playmaker because Maye does crap for our D and is becoming exposed without #33.
     
  7. Cromartie's_kid

    Cromartie's_kid Well-Known Member

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    We may just be able to get that if he keeps catching interceptions with his ass.
     
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  8. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    Wow. A garbage time INT during the 4th Q down by 24-0. I personally can not stand Maye because the drop-off in total Defend since losing Adams, with Maye trying to fill the void left by Adams has been absolutely horrible I'd trade him for a 3rd or 4th in a heartbeat. He's just a safety. Right. right? Lol but yeah what is going on in Minnesota? Went from postseason contenders to only 1 win?
     
  9. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    No he is not a pinpoint passer, probably never will be, although he could improve if he got good coaching. He's accurate enough if he has good receivers. That doesn't make him trash as you've said. Joe Kapp was an inaccurate QB, but he got the Vikings to a SB. Billy Kilmer was an inaccurate QB and he got the Redskins to a SB.

    If Darnold fails it won't be because of his inaccuracy but because he's lost confidence in himself and can't regain it under a different CS/situation.
     
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    I am sorry but you cant compare what Robby is this year to 2018 or 2019. He is actually running routes in Carolina, he is actually fighting for the ball, the coaching staff is using him correctly
     
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    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    A lot of folks are looking at Robby's production and indicting JD or Sam, or both. I think that's BS. If Robby was here, the Jets would probably be worse than they are now. Robby is not known for his proficiency at the 2-yard curl route.

    Sam misses plenty of receivers, no question. However, the Jets haven't had "a ton of open receivers" since Al Toon and Wesley Walker were wearing green and white. Not even if you add up all the individual occurrences of "open receiver" cumulatively.
     
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    He found Robby Anderson as an undrafted player,drafted Jamal Adams,Maye...Crowder was a good signing.Bell would have been if it wasnt for Gase.Kelche Osmele is playing at a pro bowl level right now and the Jets cut him.All Douglas has done is take away from the team at this point.And theres alot of stuff im forgetting about with Mac.Douglas hasnt done anything impressive and your not going to convince me otherwise...Any GM could have traded Jamal Adams for two first round picks.Mac had a bunch of bad moves but Douglas is in the same boat right now.
     
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    Manning....Elway wasn't as high a prospect. He was more of a curiosity with baseball.
     
  14. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    ARE...YOU...SERIOUS??? Mike MacMoron didn't build anything with the jets except dead cap money. The jets lead the NFL in that category now thanks to MacIdiot's contracts to Bell, Enumwa, Tru Johson, etc. There is a reason that MacMoron has found no NFL employment since the jets fired him 18 months ago...even John Idzik found another NFL job. The jets have a terrible roster thanks to MacCagnan (5 drafts) , not Douglas (1 draft). Sorry, but as NC explained, your claim that MacCagnan built or started to build the jets around Darold is, well, ridiculous.
     
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    LOL Joe Kapp not only was inaccurate, but had probably the weakest arm of any QB ever in the NFL. He made Chad post surgeries look like he had a cannon. I've never seen so many wounded ducks fluttering to receivers as when Joe Kapp played. LOL

    Billy Kilmer wasn't a whole lot better.

    That was a different era, however. That was still running the football first and foremost. The Vikings had the Purple People Eaters defense. I believe Washington had the Hogs and a very good D.
     
  16. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    The last great offense the Jets had was the Mike Mcaganan Era with Fitz,Decker and Marshall.When we went 10-6.Douglas has left Darnold with absolutley nothing on offense...He replaced Anderson with Perriman like it was the same player.Douglas has done alot to make the team worse...Ive yet to see him add a meaningful player that contributes.Hes been here for 2 years already and all hes done is get rid of guys that dont respect Adam Gase.At some point you have to stop cutting and trading guys and start building the team.Im not blindly sold on Douglas ....I still have faith but he needs to have a huge offseason.
     
  17. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    You clearly don't understand what "building around" a QB means. Drafting DL doesn't qualify as building around. Signing a UDFA WR doesn't classify as building around. Crowder was signed Sams 2nd year, as was Bell. How many OL did Mac draft high? Osemele was dogging on the Jets and trying to get the Jets to pay for a previous injury.

    Douglas drafted Becton who has been great. He drafted Mims, who unfortunately has been hurt, but once he is able to play he will contribute. Douglas also signed Perriman, who has been injured. When he gets well he will contribute as well.

    Douglas is nowhere near in the same boat as Mac. That's just laughable.
     
  18. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Perriman will never contribute at the level that Anderson would have.Right now Robby Anderson is playing like a top 5 WR.Perrimans not even in the top 100
     
  19. barfolomew

    barfolomew The Most Resilient Member

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    I don't mean to beat a dead horse but if jacksonville fails and it's due to wb play. They have a lot of draft capital. If we get the number one pick they are the best trade option in my opinion. We can trade the first pick for both their first rounders and one of their seconds, that would give us three first rounders and two seconds to build around sam.
     
  20. Rockinz

    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Ummm no. Elway was the best prospect in nfl history besides Broadway.
     

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