I think it's sad that so many of you have finally sold out to the negativity of the NY media who nitpick every thing to try to make themselves look knowledgeable and to sell newspapers. I'm sure that Douglas has made some mistakes. He is human after all, and a rookie. It's one thing to make note of moves that he has made with which you disagree or think were a mistake, but quite another with what I've seen here over the last few days. The level of negativity on this site regarding Douglas is simply flat out wrong, stupid and disgusting. I can't believe I'm seeing posters calling for Douglas to be fired already. Those posters should be banned for life because their comments show that they know nothing about football. I can't even excuse them for being driven insane by the Jets. It's just flat out wrong and stupid. The level of discussion has dropped considerably this week as has the IQ of the site. Sad.
Lack of leadership,lack of long term vision,no sense of brand,no synergy or sense of cohesion between any of the Department’s within the football operation.And on top of it an overriding theme of conservative “play not to lose” throughout.
The Ravens have been bad under Ozzie, the difference is how the team recovered from it, what I can say about the Ravens is this, they would have never hired Gase as a HC because they received a phone call from a retired QB. They also passed on Rex Ryan as an option for a HC because his philosophy did not mix with Ozzies. Harbaugh was obviously the better hire but no one thought that at the time. JD vision for this team is going to take more than one season to play out, we have no choice but to sit through another rebuild. Gase on the other hand continues to run a 4 and 5 receiver set even though he knows he has limitation on the oline, and the WR core. It’s a HC that is going to live and die doing things his way. The other aspect about this and it has been mentioned already, maybe Sam Darnold is not the QB Jets need. The WR have been open at times and he has struggled to get them the ball and make plays. I’m going on record and say JD is not the problem right now, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and 2 more drafts to get this straightened out.
I am big fan of JD. Not saying injuries are his fault, but last 2 yrs beyond ridiculous amount. Jury is still out, won’t know really for couple of yrs. I think JD in right path but gase is an issue hindering him for sure. I don’t think he deserves bashing at this point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Douglas should get his own coach and maybe his own QB too before he's on any kind of hot seat. Maccagnan got five offseasons and he was awful.
Macc was part of hiring Gase, best to start fresh with coach that JD picks, so totally agree! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
i have a different take. I agree there are a hundred things wrong...but to me the org chart is a HUGE problem. not because having both coach and GM report directly to the owner is inherently flawed, but because of who the owner is in our case. for us, this is the worst possible org chart because it puts the owner at the focal point of making the critical hire/fire decisions, but the Johnsons have CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY shown that they are the LEAST qualified to make these decisions. This is not my opinion alone, right, the facts show that they have fucked up these hiring and firings time and time again. Whether it’s hiring the coach, or the GM, or pairing Rex coaching for his life with new Idzik building for the future...same with firing Bowles but not Mac. They have no fucking clue, and they’ve shown that over and over and over. so when you have an org chart that focuses key decision making authority in people who don’t have the knowledge or skill set or vision to make those decisions, it’s going to fail. this is HR 101 ... every well run company knows this ... any HR leader worth a damn can look at a company strategically and call this out. so yeah, while there are a thousand things wrong with our team, I would argue that the org chart is the FIRST thing we need to fix. Until we get the clueless Johnsons OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY, we will NEVER succeed. Never. the ONLY possibility is blind luck. So it’s way too early to say JD is the right guy, as I like a lot of what he’s done but he also whiffed on some things (Khalil, Robby maybe), at least for me, this is the first guy since Parcells that you can say came to us highly regarded by a lot of football insiders. Can’t say anything about the Bradway, Tannenbaum, Idzik, or MacCagnon hires other than “they hired WHO????”. None of those with the possible exception of Tannenbaum were good hires. They were all horrible hires. so as fans who have very little control or ability to influence better decision making (I LOVED the Fire Idzik banners because they gave us a voice), we can only hope that maybe, just maybe, JD is the right guy, and that maybe, just maybe, the fucking waste ass owners will just get their idiotic and moronic asses out of the fucking way and let JD hire a decent HC and build a roster. so yeah, when you have Moronic owners, this org chart will fail EVERY time, because they will make HORRIBLE decisions just about every time. with owners like this, you need an org chart that puts decision making power in a smart football guy. Let’s hope that’s JD, because if it’s not, (a) it’ll take the Johnsons 5 years to figure that out, and (b) they will fuck up the next hire too.
When push comes to shove ultimately chief level hires/fires are gonna rest w the owner no matter how an org chart is set up.And thats how it should be & how it has to be. The Johnsons dont WANT to have to make decisions. Thats why they wait forever to fire coaches & bring in consultants to make hires. The Johnsons dont WANT to be involved in the football operation.Thats why they set up the HC/GM as equals.They want to avoid Smith/schottenheimer & Baalke/Harbaugh bc theyd be clueless navigating through such a power struggle.They want a collaborative football operation w them being the drop dead final decision maker for chief level decisions. Macagnan lead the hiring search for Gase so its not like the org chart is somehow stopping a GM from having heavy influence on who is the next coach.Id assume Douglas will lead the search for the mext coach. Now if you’re suggesting a president of football operations that reports directly to ownership,im all for it.But understand the ultimate decision/veto on any hires/fired still will rest w the Johnsons
This describes it perfectly. It’s not about the organizational structure per se, it’s about the capability and compatibility of the decision makers within the organization. When the person leading it is incapable of creating the vision, or selecting and empowering the right talent to execute it, you piss away money and you get run over by those that know. IMHO, a good leader creates success to any organization, but any organization breeds failure without good leadership and vision. When you pass on the top pick as a coach because he was not going to be totally empowered to select his own staff, well fuck, it tells you all you need to know about the Jets lack of leadership.
Who sold out? The media reports what happens and comments about it. They are not supposed to be the marketing department of the local team. When an ugly baby is born their job is to report it and comment on it. The Jets have been the ugly baby in the NFL nursery for decades. I'm also surprised to see a couple of guys calling for Douglas to be fired so soon but their opinion is at least as valid as yours and nothing that I've seen here is wrong, stupid or disgusting. If you have some reason to expect nothing but praise from guys who are hired to tell us what happened and their take on it you're not dealing with reality.
You're right Kurt, there is no one way to be successful. That said, having a solid org chart with CLEAR chain of command, from the top to the bottom can help. But no matter what you do you need to have qualified people in the right roles. This has been a gaping failure for the Johnsons from day 1. I'm not saying that Douglas is ready to be enshrined in Canton, but he's got the best pedigree on anyone they've had as a GM so I'm willing to give him some time to prove he is or isn't. At this point, I'm betting he can get the job done. But if he has to have Gase as HC I doubt we'll see any improvement, certainly not enough to become a SB contender.
This is what happened in NE, Seattle and KC and they all won Super Bowls after taking this approach. Not saying it should be the approach the Jets take but it clearly has worked for some franchises. The best thing Adam Gase has done for the Jets so far is to get Joe Douglas in town.
Sorry, Kurt, I have to disagree with you on this. The chief level hires/fires don't have to rest with the owner, nor is that the way it necessarily should be. I would be shocked if there were no teams in the NFL where the owner has a VP or President of Football Operations and the owner doesn't let that VP/Pres. of Football Operations make all the decisions involving the football operation. The owner may have to rubber stamp and give final approval, but I'd bet there are teams where that VP/Pres. of Football Operations makes the decisions, the hires and fires. Some owners are smart enough to know what they don't know and don't try to meddle. They hire an expert to run the team and they let him do his job. Of course if he doesn't do a good job, the owners can fire him and hire his replacement, but otherwise they let him do his thing. That's how it should be with the Jets. The johnsons (they don't even deserve the respect of having their name capitalized) have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt how clueless, stupid, and totally incompetent they are. They should hire a VP/Pres. of Football Operations, allow him to run the team, and stay the fuck out of his way. They ought to give him total leeway over every aspect except maybe budget, and even then, they should allow him to create a budget and tell them how much he needs, then they can say "yes", "no" or compromise.
I remember the same was said with Idzik, why this fanbase can't set back and see what happens over the course of time, instead, just like with the HC, they Herald him the greatest ever, then after 1 or 2yrs want him fired. You can all save yourselves a lot of misery with every year being way over optimistic, like this is going to be our year, or claim your shopping at oscar de la renta when in reality it's it's a 5 and dime flea market, which is usually what this franchise fields year in year out.
Name one organization where regardless of the org chart & the infrastructure in place the owner does not have final say or input on chief level hires/fires Just bc you dont WANT them to make decisions of any kind,doesnt make it any less of an essential function of a franchise owner.Im sorry,theres no way around it. You can add levels & liasons to take some thinking out of the process for the ownership but at the end of the day they hsve to sign off on it.
Signing off on a decision that has already been made is radically different than making the decision itself. When an owner has a VP of Football Operations, they trust them and let them do the job, make the nuts and bolts decisions that lead to success. They may have to approve budgets, hirings, etc., but they've trusted a knowledgeable individual to do the groundwork and make an informed decision. They're not going to overrule that individual very often for fear of losing him. If the johnsons hired a VP of Football Operations and stepped back except for signing off on that VP's big decisions and plans, the Jets could become a successful team. The only way they don't in that scenario is if they either don't hire a competent individual, or they constantly meddle and overrule him.
Im all for a VP/Prez of football operations.But remember the Doofus bros would be picking THAT person just as well.Weve seen incompetent HCs/GMs..imagine a VP running the whole show who has no clue.And that person becomes even HARDER to get the Johnsons to terminate. My original point was never to celebrate the org chart or somehow suggest changes arent needed throughout the whole operation. Rather Im tired of hearing how the HC/GM being organizational equals is somehow this incompetent outlying practice that no other NFL team is using & is somehow the root of everything wrong w the Jets.
