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  1. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    the bolded i agree with a ton. which makes it even more risky to take one in the 1st. they have a really high bust rate. guys who seem like they will be studs are garbage far too often. there is no such thing as a can't miss prospect
     
  2. tomdeb

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    That pick of WR Alex Van Dyke was the stupidest of the Kotite era. Kotite picked Van Dyke with the 1st pick in round 2 in 1996. The jets had just taken WR Keyshaun Johson in round 1 that year, had just signed free agent WR Jeff Graham , and had just gotten a great season from rookie WR Wayne Chrebet the year before. With also having veteran WR Webster Slaughter in 1996, Van Dyke was #5 WR on the jets depth chart in 1996. He was out of the league a few years later. It sure made sense to draft your roster's #5 WR with the first pick in round 2 coming off a 3-13 season. Just another typical jets draft when I yell something at the TV when they announce a high jets pick.
     
  3. NCJetsfan

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    No RB? Bell could be traded, but even if he's here, we need depth. Montgomery will be a FA and likely won't be back. Powell could retire or not be re-signed. IMO the Jets need to look at taking a RB in the 3rd-4th rounds.
     
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    I'm no defender of Kotite, but when he picked Van Dyke I'm sure he wasn't picking him to be the #5 WR. I imagine they thought he would be or develop into a solid #2 and push Chrebet to the #3 WR position, and Graham and Slaughter would be the #s 4 and 5 WRs.
     
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    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    I think we can get AJ Dillon in the 4th. But yeah RB should be on our list at some point.
     
  6. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    I did the draft game thing and got this

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 11 (DEN): Trey Adams, OT, Washington (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 9: Jake Hanson, C, Oregon (C)
    Round 2 Pick 11 (DEN): Anfernee Jennings, OLB/DE, Alabama (A)
    Round 3 Pick 2: Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty (B)
    Round 3 Pick 9: Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 9: Michael Onwenu, OG, Michigan (A)
    Round 5 Pick 8: Lamical Perine, RB, Florida (B-)
    Round 6 Pick 26: Ashtyn Davis, FS/SS, California (A+)


    I traded down 2 spots in the 1st to get an extra 2nd rounder. Wirfs and thomas were gone already so it made sense to slide back and grab adams. he becomes an instant starter and upgrade at LT and should anchor the line for many years.

    with our 2nd rounder i grabbed hanson. He'll be our starting C for 2020.

    with the extra 2nd rouder from the trade down, i was surprised but jennings was still there. so i grabbed him to be an edge rusher opposite of jenkins.

    with o-line and edge out of the way. and with 2 3rd rounders i decided to cover the outside on both sides of the ball with a WR and CB. Gandy golden is a big physical WR perfect for the outside to pair with robby and jaylon johnson who is physical and plays well on the outside and could challenge for playing time for us in 2020.

    for the rest of the draft we have 3 picks 1 each in 4,5,6 rounds. I grabbed an OG for depth. you can never have too many good o-lineman and we likely need more then 2. I grabbed a RB in perine who looks like he can be a steal in the 5th. powell is old and on a 1 year deal, ty is on a 1 year deal, cannon is on IR and not sure he will pan out, and bell could be traded? RB is a need. personally i'd keep bell and cannon 1 more year and bring in perine for depth. could make a good 1-2 punch with bell. last but not least i grabbed ashtyn davis for more secondary help. yeah we are set at S with adams/maye but depth is an issue. we really don't have competent backup safeties. davis is a versatile S who can play either spot so fits our scheme well. he's fast an athletic and better suited for the "centerfield" maye style of safety. needs to work on getting off blocks and run game support but for a 6th roudner who cares. if he can play special teams and be a solid back-up/sub player in packages i'd be happy
     
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    When I was watching, I wanted DE Tony Braackens or FB Mike Alstott with that pick--both ended up with a lot better careers than Van Dyke.
     
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    It was considered.
     
  9. J-Raw24

    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    Again I think you rrached for several of those picks. With Adams injury i think he will slide to around 20, Hansen was a huge reach he will probably go late round 3ish maybe 4th. The Jenning pick was good but not sure in this draft he will fall that far. If so that was your steal. The Gandy-Golden pick was good IMO, but he could still bust. Johnson and Onwenu were pretty decent where you took them.

    Perine could work out, he's played big teams and done well. He doesn't get the hype I think he should.
     
  10. GasedAndConfused

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    I already traded back once. 11 may be a reach for adams but still worth it. Hansen I don't see as a reach in the 2nd. that's where he should go. I don't think jennings will fall that far either but in the game he was there so why not. gandy golden could be a bst but same goes for anyone you draft. I think he's good value in the 3rd. he may go 2nd round though. he's been moving up boards. Perine is someone who i think will be a steal. no idea why he isn't getting any hype. he's better then RBs ranked in front of him
     
  11. That draft will always have a special place in my heart despite who ran it & the Van Dyke pick.

    I was 13 & that was the first draft i watched In its entirety...i was hooked. I remember shooting hoops w one of the giants fans down the street that weekend,who hated Keyshawn & actually thought van dyke would be better.Ha!! Think he was just bitter;That was the Dave Brown/Kannel/Graham Giants era
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Sounds like Robbie will be back
     
  13. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he's very good but I don't think we have literally any choice but to bring him back. We will need to be in on a top offensive lineman free agent and we can't afford to gamble at receiver if we can't get Green or I guess Funchess is the next best thing assuming Amari Cooper re-signs.

    Or else Crowder will really set the receptions record next year.
     
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    Now if we can get a big red zone possession type receiver to complement him. A kinda Brandon Marshal without the craziness.
     
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    I think he would be good as a burner if we could get a big target opposite. He's definitely not a real number 1. If Green is healthy it would be nice. Not a big Funchess fan.
     
  16. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Nah I wouldn't touch Funchess either. But those are the big three really. Emmanual Sanders doesn't do it for me either, and Randall Cobb pretty much strictly operates in the slot

    My shot in the dark choices out of the shitty options are:
    Keelan Cole - RFA
    Tim Patrick - RFA
    Tajae Sharpe
    DeMarcus Robinson
    Geronimo Allison
    And of course my boy Lequan Treadwell.

    And I wouldn't give up much in terms of draft capital on offer sheets if anything at all. Patrick will get re-signed. I think Cole may walk.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    I agree, the safe play is to bring him back, add another 2nd wave wr and then see how the draft shakes out.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    I’d put Allison at the top of that list.
     
  19. J-Raw24

    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I still thinking drafting one in the first 3 rounds is best option. I know people keep talking about first round busts. But I don't mind an attempt.
     
  20. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    dolphins just extended parker

    Dolphins sign DeVante Parker to four-year, $40 million extension

    That's a fair deal for robby IMO too.
     

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