How Did It Go Bad So Quickly?

never said a thing about their success but that's what happens when you have a FQB and a beast 3 year span of drafting. they are nowhere near the team they were during the back to back SB appearances though due to the cap and not drafting well enough to replace them. their drafts form 2016-2018 were overall pretty bad (and worse then mac) their last good draft pick was 2015 and they traded him away to KC this offseason.

of course i watched the playoffs. what's your point? he had a lot of TDs sure, so did burkehead the prior season lol. the pats plug and play RBs like nothing. Michel also had only 1 catch the entire playoffs. he's a 2 down runner and nothing special at that. crowell would have did just as good in that offense

 

To me it comes down to one thing - OFFENSIVE LINE. If the O line isn’t good, everything else is meaningless. I honest to goodness cannot tell you who the center is for the Jets. If they don’t fix that, everything else is academic


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Jonotthan Harrison

Gase said that Darnold feels very comfortable with him at center, which obviously is very important. He will likely be our starting center all year

 

LMAO i would too, but i'd rather be like the steelers or pats who have dominated the game over several decades then be like the seahawks who had 2 deep playoff runs due to 3 great drafts in a row and then been downhill since. pitt sheds talent and gets it right back. pats have always been a "next man up" easy to fill hole scheme that relies on coaching and brady over a talented roster. the seahawks are a good team but not a great team or great franchise. still i'd be more then happy with 1 SB win and a constant 9+ win team lol the jets biggest issue has been the lack of a QB, I think that issue has been resolved for the next decade plus with darnold. Now we have to build around him while he doesn't cost a lot of cap room. part of Seattle issues is having to pay wilson so much it costs them a ton of other talent. The pats have been lucky that brady took a hometown discount his entire career so they could sign more talent around them.

 

In the Pete Carroll/Russell Wilson era, the Seahawks have gone 11-5, 13-3, 12-4, 10-6, 10-5-1, 9-7, and 10-6. They've made the playoffs 6 out of 7 years, made the divisional round 5 out of 7 years, been to 2 Super Bowls, and won 1 of them. If that isn't sustained success, I don't know what is. And it's better than what the Steelers have done in that time.

 

in 2008-2011 their record was 23-41 and 0 playoff appearances
what changed is their drafts from 2010-2012 were "god tier" landing an entire starting pro bolw secondary, pro bowlers in the front 7, and a FQB and WR1 , and 2 above average bookend tackles for the o-line. all in 3 drafts. it's pretty much a 1 in a million shot to have 3 drafts that good in a row overall. due to that by 2012 their fortunes changed and from 2012-2014 their record was 36-12 with 2 playoff appearances, 2 division titles, 1 SB win and 2 SB appearances. a great 3 year stretch set up by a few great drafts in a row. then the salary cap hit and they couldn't keep all that talent and replace the lost talent and not drafted as well and in the following 4 years have gone 39-24-1 3 playoff appearances with a 2-3 record. no SB appearances. they are still on the downslide too. not to mention they play in a very weak division.

the steelers have not had a losing season since 2003, they have 7 divison titles in that time, 10 playoff appearances, 2SB wins and 3 SB appearances. the steelers have also not even had a top 10 pick in like 17 years. they also have only had 3 coaches in their entire history. it's not even close.

 

Weak division? They had to deal with the 49ers from 2011 to 2013, the Cards from 2013 to 2015, and the Rams in 2017 to 2018.

 

2011 they were 7-9 the niners were good but the rams were 2-14 and cards were 8-8. the rams were an easy 2 wins off the bat so they were 5-9 against the other 14 teams

2012-2014 this was the seahawks "peak 3 years" start. the division was tougher these 3 years but this is where their amazing drafts kicked in and they made back to back SBs

2015 the start of their snap back to reality, cards were good, rams were decent and on the rise, niners went into their sucky mode

2016 the division is full on suck at this point. the rams and niners went 6-26 combined, the cards were 7-8.

2017 rams took over the division and were good and won it, hawks dropped to 9 wins, cards were an even 8-8 solid, niners still sucked at 6 wins

2018 rams still dominate at 13 wins. hawks won 10, niners and cards went 7-25 combined

there were no good consistent teams during that span

 

From 2008-2011, the Seahawks didn't have Carroll or Wilson. But nobody wants to be the pre-Carroll/Wilson Seahawks, those teams are irrelevant. So I don't know why you keep talking about them, or about how the Steelers were better before 2011.

 

Sounds like it’s still going pretty bad

 

Yeah...these reports out of camp are awful.

It doesn't jive at all with the dysfunctional image that we are trying to project.

Next thing you know people will start taking the Jets seriously.

 

2011 they were 7-9 the niners were good but the rams were 2-14 and cards were 8-8. the rams were an easy 2 wins off the bat so they were 5-9 against the other 14 teams

2012-2014 this was the seahawks "peak 3 years" start. the division was tougher these 3 years but this is where their amazing drafts kicked in and they made back to back SBs

2015 the start of their snap back to reality, cards were good, rams were decent and on the rise, niners went into their sucky mode

2016 the division is full on suck at this point. the rams and niners went 6-26 combined, the cards were 7-8.

2017 rams took over the division and were good and won it, hawks dropped to 9 wins, cards were an even 8-8 solid, niners still sucked at 6 wins

2018 rams still dominate at 13 wins. hawks won 10, niners and cards went 7-25 combined

there were no good consistent teams during that span

i didn't the only reason i mentioned it is because their 2010-2012 drafts completely turned around that franchise. they had like 7 probowlers on rookie contracts including a pro bowl QB. my only point was since 2013 they haven't drafted well and because of the cap lost a lot of their best players and weren't able to replace them or keep them all due to drafting and right now they are a middle of the pack team that benefits from a bad division. the cards are one of the worst 3 teams in the NFL and the niners haven't been much better. and he rams are a better team then them. my only point was mac has outdrafted them plus they made bad trades. their GM is not good and the team is barely holding on from talent drafted almost a decade ago. also carolls terrible play call and wilsons poor decision cost them a SB win they should have had easily

 

But the division hasn't been weak because they've had to fight for it with another team more often than not.

 

yeah but they more often then not had 1-2 complete pushover teams as well for an easy 4 wins. I understand the other teams had the same advantage but other NFC teams not in that division didn't. imagine if they had to play in the AFC east with the pats or AFC north with the ravens and steelers. none of the teams in that division have been consistently good and more often then not they had 1-2 complete disaster of teams. even with us, the bills, and fins we were never as bad as the cards last year or the 2-14 rams or the 3-13 niners. when was the last time we had a team in our division win less then 4 games? they had it happen like 4 seasons in that span

 

I really think Darnold is gonna have a MONSTER year this year. From everything I'm reading, his game has improved significantly from last year. With Gase coaching and now big boy weapons, he might have a breakout year

 

It’s terrible , I tell ya

 

I can't wait to see what Herndon does this year!