Clearly I am not talking skills here. I am talking ceiling and situation. Chad is a guy that will take you to the playoffs but won't win the title. Based on his uneven performance this year, I really can't see Chad stringing together the three or four games in a row necessary to win the Super Bowl. At this point, Mangini needs to be thinking about whether he should pull a Shanahan and replace the veteran QB who you don't think can get you there for the rookie QB who you think is the future. (That is only assuming that Clemens is 1) the future and 2) is close to being "ready".) Obviously, Chad gives the Jets the best shot this year, but is a one-and-done playoff season really anything to be proud of at the end of the day? Or is the potential playoff game worth the experience the team will get for the future?
I can't believe these posts are showing up. Have you ever watched a playoff game? There is so much excitement surrounding the playoffs and anything can happen. We should all be rooting for this team to make the playoffs and anyone that's not isn't a fan. Just makin the playoffs in the better conference would be something to be proud of. Chad gives us the best oppurtunity to get there and we shouldn't give up on him
I agree with you. I tried to be a chad supporter as long as I can. But thats it. He's done for me. I felt this way after the browns and bears game but I still supported. Its not that I think he sucks its that I know for sure that his arm will not lead us nowhere. He doesn't suck. But to win big in the NFL the Qb needs to make every throw possible and sadly Chad can not make the long zips that other great qb's can. I just finish watching the Saints game and wow. You see those throws by Brees. Their incredible. Doesn't even compare to Chad.
I don't think the Jets have a realistic shot to make the playoffs at this point but since they're not technically "eliminated" we'll have to see Pennington for another week or two. I expect the Jets will lose at least one of the next two and after that loss Pennington will be done for the year. I don't see any reason why CLemens wouldn't be starting the final game of the year against the Raiders.
Have you seen what Clemens has done in the two drives he has had. I don't think he has gotten a pass off and that was against defenses that were giving up the middle of the field. Let Chad finish the season and worry about the future in the offseason.
I wouldn't expect much from any QB at the end of thse kind of games. How many snaps did he get during the week as a 3rd string QB? Not the ideal situation.
Dude he's a rookie that doesn't even get to work with the starters! He takes a few snaps a week, and that's it. If he was named the starter during the week and actually got a gameplan and some practice, I'm sure he'd look better. And after about 3-4 games, I'm sure he'd look better still.
(Not to go all "Champ" on everyone, but...) I guess that is the difference between an organization like the Broncos and one like the Jets. The Broncos measure success in Championships. (They made the freakin' AFC title game last year and the draft a QB in the frist round.) From how it sounds around here, the Jets measure sucess in playoff appearances and "exceeding expectations"...at least for now. Playoff games are exciting and I am aware of the whole "any given Sunday" concept if the Jets get in. However, Chad of 2002 is no more. Chad of 2006 is inconsistent with flashes of brillance. Yes, he smart which is vital for this offense, but smarts only get you so far when you are inaccurate and routes longer than 20 yards are out of the question. Inconsistency at the QB spot will not get you far in the playoffs.
If Chad finishes the game in Miami and the Jets are 8-7, and the Jets are out of the playoffs, Pennington should still start Week 17. If he can make it through the first 16 weeks of the season and the Jets bench him week 17 after he makes it through the whole season, that would be horrible.
The fans are estatic here that Shanahan gave up on the season. It is so great to be in the middle of a playoff race then pack up the season. Besides that, other than last season, the Broncos haven't done crap since the AFC championship vs the jets.
I live in CO are most fans I speak with are happy about the change. They have no faith in Plummer to win them a title and are excited to see what Cutler can do. I was at the Broncos-Seahawks game when Cutler started and the fans went crazy when he was announced before the game. Even when he made some questionable decisions the feeling was that he was doing no worse than plummer
The Broncos have more intelligent fans than the Jets do, Jets fans insist on being homers and using tired unprovable cliches, rather than trying to think things through logically.
Since you brought it up, on that subject I will say that there is no comparison between the fans at Bronco game and at a Jets game. Granted it was a Sunday night game, but the stadium was full at kick-off when it was aobut 10 degrees outside. Furthermore the noise level was much much louder than Giants stadium ever got today. (I was at today's game.) I don't mean to crap on Jet fans as I have been one and will be all my life, but the difference in the crowd between the game I went to in Dever a week ago and today was significant.
That is interesting to hear. I am pretty sure if Plummer started that game the Broncos would of won. I guess that is just me. What makes you say this? I am sure they have the same kind of fans as the Jets do. All kinds.
I was born and raised in CO and I don't think all the fans were that excited. Sure the fans wanted to see what cutler could do, he is the next Elway right? that is the line the media and coaches are telling the fans. Bottom line Plummer was a scape goat for an overated defense, a team without a true every down back, and 1 good receiver but one very old one and not tightend. Sound familar?
Are you reading my thoughts? Seriously, I've given Chad every chance I could. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he'd come back after each injury, because he's a "hard worker". I believed that he would be able to overcome his weak arm with his intelligence and accuracy. But since his intelligence and accuracy have seemingly diminished, I no longer have anything to look for in him (go ahead, say he has heart.... i know you want to). He now has more picks than TD's, he's no longer Mr. Perfect in the red zone, and if it weren't for his recievers constantly going up and making tough catches in traffic (by the way, I still have no idea how he has never gotten a reciever seriously injured by, since most of his throws make the reciver jump in traffic, opening himself up to big hits), slowing down and turning around to catch underthrown balls, or getting yards after the catch on short routes.....I don't know how to finish that run-on sentence...... Anyway, I am officially done with Pennington. I know people are gonna say, "You're just saying that because he had a bad game, and you'll be back on the bandwagon after a good week." But I really don't think so, I have given him too many chances, and he has let me down too many times.
Don't be apologetic, you are right. For a supposedly intelligent sports town, I find Jets fans to be lacking. We're not as bad as the Giants fans, but still...hearing the J-E-T-S chant while we're on offense has to be the most annoying thing possible. The fact that fans constantly leave early is annoying too, and obviously the crowd noise in general is also a concern. I don't understand why either, it's obvious from message boards like this one that we are an extremely passionate group overall, so why does it not show up during games? Is it that most of us can't get tickets or something?
Because we're more pesimistic. Living in Indiana for the last few months, I've realized that oher sports fans are bigger homers than we are. They stand behidn their teams through thick and thin, always looking on the bright side of things... We, on the other hand, along with Boston fans and Philly fans seem to be ready to turn and rip on our team at any moment. We're always expecting to be disappointed, so we don't feel the need to 'owe' anything to the team... However, overall, I feel liek we are smarter fans than they are because we, as a whole, ar enot blinded..
