This Is How You Build An OL (Read this Macc & Todd):

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  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I read this article in today's (11/2/18) NY Times, and while the NYT may not be on everyone's preferred sports reading list, it does have some great articles from time to time. This is one of them. It should be required reading for Macc and Bowles. I was going to try and edit it down to just the main points, but there were so many good ones I decided to include the whole thing. If you don't subscribe to the NYT you might not be able to read the source article, so I cut and pasted it here:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/...lights&contentPlacement=4&pgtype=sectionfront
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    Vaunted Line Keeps the Rams’ Offense Uninterrupted

    Sure, Jared Goff and Todd Gurley are great, but it’s the linemen who allow the most potent offense in the N.F.C. to do its thing.

    By Ben Shpigel

    November 2, 2018

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — There are two ways, and only two, to watch a football game, according to the Hall of Fame offensive tackle Jackie Slater.

    If a team’s offensive line is porous, he said, he focuses on the line of scrimmage, wondering from where the defensive pressure will come, because it’s difficult to pay attention to anything else. But if the line is stout, he concentrates instead on the quarterback, then the play as it unfolds.

    “When I’ve been watching the Rams, I’ve been watching the quarterback a whole lot,” Slater said. “I think most other people are, too. And that’s what they want to watch. That’s what makes the Rams so appealing.”

    Across his two decades with the Rams, Slater took pride in compelling people to watch the quarterback. He now marvels at a team that has rushed for the most yards in the N.F.L., passed for the fourth most and scored more points than every other team but the Kansas City Chiefs, all behind a beastly offensive line.


    The Rams’ five players up front synchronize blocks that spring running back Todd Gurley through chasms and ward off blitzers so quarterback Jared Goff can throw to a cadre of dynamic receivers. That has fueled the franchise’s best start since 1969 — 8-0, heading into Sunday afternoon’s game at New Orleans — and optimized the viewing experience for the best offense in the N.F.C.

    “You see it around the league all the time: All these skill positions can be erased without a good line — they can’t get the ball, they can’t get rid of the ball, they can’t run with it,” Goff said recently, sitting at a picnic table outside the Rams’ facility here. “When I see a pressure that’s hard to pick up and no one ever gets close to me, I sit back there nice and clean and look good throwing the ball — that’s all everyone’s going to see. But I know, and we all know, how hard it is up there.”

    The Rams’ line, graded the most efficient at pass blocking by Pro Football Focus, is a hodgepodge of talent that reflects the team’s priorities: intelligence and athleticism, savvy centers and powerful tackles who understand the geometry of the sport, and guards who can dominate on the line but also block in space. They are linemen who, as General Manager Les Snead put it, can get in the way and then stay in the way.

    The line consists of holdovers acquired through the draft, like left guard Rodger Saffold and right tackle Rob Havenstein; free-agent splurges like the two-time All-Pro left tackle Andrew Whitworth, who played his first 11 seasons in Cincinnati, and center John Sullivan, who played for Rams Coach Sean McVay in Washington and has been instrumental in easing Goff’s transition; and a waiver claim, Austin Blythe, who supplanted the suspended Jamon Brown at right guard for the first two games and never relinquished the job.

    The line’s stability is also revealed by the synchronicity of the linemen’s movements — in the lateral steps they take when run-blocking so that Gurley, the league’s leading rusher, can find a crease and zip through it. According to Football Outsiders, the Rams rank first in adjusted line yards, a statistic it developed to measure offensive line performance by isolating its impact on a running play.

    Remember those videos where people did a flash mob?” O’Hara, a three-time Pro Bowl center who spent most of his playing career with the Giants, said in a telephone interview. “Everybody starts dancing and wow, all of a sudden, everyone’s on the same page. They didn’t say anything. They just played the music and everybody knew. Nobody was stepping on each other’s feet. When you look at the Rams, they all have the same footwork, everybody’s got the same fluid motions.”

    The Rams’ proficiency on first downs diversifies their options: No team averages more yards rushing (5.7) or passing (11.5) on first-and-10 than the Rams do. Their efficiency prevents unfavorable down-and-distance situations, in which defenses can expect a pass.

    “Sometimes we just explode, and it feels like we’re unstoppable,” Saffold said. “But that’s because all 11 guys know what they’re doing all the time.”

    That awareness is a central principle of McVay’s philosophy. Coaches are only as good as what the players know and thus can do. The best-designed plays can implode if a player forgets a detail. Before last season, McVay’s first as coach, the offensive linemen recognized they were not being coached so much as being taught.

    In his 13th season, Whitworth said he had yet to encounter a scheme that placed greater responsibilities on an offensive line because of the “mental gymnastics” demanded. The personnel in McVay’s offense rarely changes (one running back, one tight end and three receivers are the norm), but the system, aside from an expansive playbook, features loads of tempos, cadences and no-huddle elements, in which just a word or two signifies a play.


    There were times when the offensive line coach, Aaron Kromer, who now also coordinates the run game, would walk into the position room during the week and, before installing new plays, preface his remarks with a caveat. He would tell the players to calm down, that there would be a lot to process that day.

    But, Kromer said, he went on to explain everything and why it was critical that they understood it. That notion ran counter, players said, to how some other teams seem to approach coaching: ordering a block on a certain player on a certain play, for instance, without conveying the reasoning behind it.

    “Any time we have a meeting,” Havenstein said, “it’s why are we doing it. It’s how we are doing it.”

    On Wednesday mornings, when the Rams reconvene after a day off to begin planning for their next opponent, Kromer greets the linemen by discussing defense, not offense. On Fridays, the entire offense gathers to review where, and how, defenders fill the gaps on rushing plays.

    Having that foundational knowledge allows the linemen to adjust over the course of a game, as they did in the second half last Sunday against Green Bay.

    “It gives you a lot of confidence to realize I’m never going to be put in a position where what I’m being asked to do isn’t sound football,” Whitworth said. “You understand the concepts of what they need to do to make their defense work and how you’re going to counteract that instead of being told what to do.”

    Slater observed this phenomenon in person twice, the last two springs, when he and other former Rams stars were invited to attend off-season workouts. Sitting in on an offensive meeting that first year, Slater watched McVay drill every position group — from receivers to running backs, quarterbacks to linemen — on five plays. The next year, McVay did the same thing — only this time, the nuances were deeper, the minutiae more intricate. When McVay quizzed receiver Brandin Cooks, who had been acquired about two months earlier, he knew all the answers.

    “Everybody else did, too,” said Slater, who now coaches the offensive line at Azusa Pacific University. “Everybody understood why that particular detail was so important to the play.”

    Before joining the Rams, Whitworth said, he was accustomed to telling receivers to block on run plays. Now, receivers like Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods initiate conversations with Whitworth and others about why they block the way they do on a particular play.

    The Rams have assembled one of the best lines in the league for what amounts to a pittance, investing about $31.4 million this season, 16th among the league’s 32 teams, according to Overthecap.com. It’s no coincidence that the three teams who have spent the least — Buffalo, the Giants and Arizona — are a combined 5-19.

    The difference is apparent every time O’Hara studies the Rams’ film. He analyzes the technical aspects, like Sullivan’s combination-blocking or Saffold’s square hips on running plays or Havenstein’s aptitude at moving the front-side defender. But there’s something else he has come to realize, too.

    “They’re a fun group to watch,” O’Hara said.
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    This is as good a recipe as any I've seen for building the foundation of an offense. I truly hope the Jets follow it.
     
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  2. Zach

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    This means competent coaching staff, which Jets do not have. Doomed to failure from the get-go, I'm afraid to say.
     
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    Good one CC

    Like Zach says all we need is a Management that can read on a 9th grade reading level at least
     
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  4. ColoradoContrails

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    For sure, which is why I'm advocating for Bowles & Co. to be fired ASAP. It's clear from reading how McVay does things how night & day different he is from Bowles, and who would you rather have? Of course we can't have McVay but we could have someone like him.
     
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    I'm all for getting a McVay like coach, but our OL needs a talent infusion more than anything. We need a new LT, LG, and C next year. I'm hoping that Macc has learned his lesson about building the OL and a blue chip LT prospect falls to us in the 1st round. There are C prospects who we can target in round 3 if we haven't signed a FA C. Maybe Long can move to LG. IIRC he came up as a RG.
     
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    Yes, we absolutely need better talent, but it's also clear that you don't necessarily need 1st round talent, you just need to identify the right type of players. I;m not sure Macc has that ability.
     
  7. mrjet80

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    If you were a fan in 2006 you know how an OL is built......select the best LT prospect in the draft and follow up with another OL selection - preferably center. Sprinkle in a solid FA or two and wala. It's not rocket science. There are some on this board who find in fool hearty to target specific positions by round. I don't. While we can't vouch for what happens in FA yet, for right now the Jets best course of action is going LT in round one. ( There will be at least one of those high-rated tackles there when the Jets pick ) and go center ( guard if a center is signed in FA ) in round 3. Good options should be available. With a solid young core in place the rest of the line WILL improve... it'll be apples and oranges compared to this year.....
     
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    Well judging by Mac's first round selections so far you should be hoping a LT is there when he picks because as of now the one thing Mac can say as far as his drafts go is he has done a solid job in the first round.....and after watching yesterday's game two things are becoming quite clear. The OL is in need of an injection of first round type talent AND the Jets should be a good position to grab one ....perhaps drafting even higher than # 8-10 ( what I was thinking originally )...
     
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    It doesn't matter who they draft if the coaching/teaching is weak.
     
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    The key take away from that article is the fact that the whole philosophy of the team is to have a learning environment. I don't think the Jets have that judging by the lack of in-game adjustments over Bowles' entire tenure as head coach.
     
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    That's the primary thing I got from it as well. It's night & day from what the Jets seem to do.
     
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  12. Rams actually built that line less Whitworth over the last 5 years or so mostly under Fisher & actually had most of their succcesss litside of round 1. They were an average group until Mcvay arrived.

    OL is not just a collection of talent.You need guys who compliment eachother well,communicate & play w an edge.Do you need acouple Bulls to lean on? 100%.And thats what the Jets lack..they dont have anybody on the line who is a lock to win their match up or the group can lean on schematically week to week.

    But its not just OL.This team needs legit weapons as well.Im already sick of hearing “just fix the OL the WRs are fine”.Its about balance.We solely upgrade the OL & teams will still stack the box,blitz & contain the edges bc they dont respect the weapons.Doesnt matter how good the OL is at that point..they cant consistently block 9 man fronts..esp agaist elite teams.But folks dont need to take that from me..watch any of the games from 02-04 & 08-11 when we had great Lines but inconsistent often limited skilll.

    i gotta say..i think if Sam were to be asked which hed rather have added to the fold next season i think hed go w the skill.His mobility & size counter some things in pass pro & he looks in dire need of some skilll guys he can develop some rapport w. & depend on for big plays week to week.

    Luckily we have the ammo to address the whole offense.But i will argue till im blue in the face that all we need is OL bc that talk is just idiocy
     
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    We need more talent on the OL and at the skill positions. It's not one or the other.
     
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    The Rams line is two draft picks, two FA's, and a home run waiver pick-up. In other words, there is really nothing Mac and Bowles can learn here because the recipe for success is not doing A, B, or C. The recipe for success is being able to evaluate talent and integrate that talent into a cohesive unit. You can do it or you can't.
     
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    To expand on this idea: if you watched New England's secondary in the second half against Green Bay, it's incredible how close their coverage was. This is not because individuals are "coached up." You can't coach a guy to stick tight to an NFL wideout.

    What you can do is have a great scheme, know which players will fit that scheme, get them, hold them accountable, and call the right plays.

    I would think that building an effective OL is the same. Mac's plan to carefully build his O-line through FA's and mid-to-late round picks is not necessarily a bad plan. He just sucks at it.
     
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    Even though it's not really a "how to build an OL" article, it's a great article and interesting read. Thanks for sharing it.

    Even though the bolded quote is nothing out of the ordinary, and should be true all the time with every team, I don't think it is. I often times wonder if any of the Jets 11 players or the CS knows where they are and what they're doing all the time, much less all of them all of the time.

    I think that knowledge base does give confidence and enables players and coaches to be able to make adjustments. It truly makes me wonder if Bowles and the Jets' coaches have a clue what other teams are doing.

    I love that they discuss and understand what opposing teams are trying to do and how their systems work.

    We could have signed Whitworth, but didn't.

    The article also points out that one doesn't have to spend a ton of money to build a first-rate OL.
     
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    I agree that it's not just about building a great OL...we absolutely have to upgrade the skill positions. If anyone doubts this, just go back and look at the 2008-11 Jets to see it. They had a great OL, one of the best, and when they had above average skill players they went to 2 Championship games, but they didn't appreciate the value of those skill players and let them slip away and the result was the beginning of our slide to where we are now.

    I thought the article was great, not only because it gave some insight on how to assemble a good OL, but also the coaching philosophy which is completely opposite of what Bowles & Co. seem to be doing. What it boils down to for me is that we need to replace Bowles with an innovative offensive minded HC and focus on building the offense. To me this is Job #1. Getting a stud pass rusher is also important, but if I had to have one or the other, I'm going to take the focus on building the offense first.
     
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    The R guard , R tackle and L guard are all free agents in 19.
    Mac Should be looking at them closely
     
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    Wow real innovative coaching. Hasn't seen this around Jetsville since Parcells. Bowels can't match his sock.
     
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    That is exactly the problem. They have morons right now. Does not matter if we had an all star team. This coaching staff would teach them how to lose.
     
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