Epic fail of a post (below). Are you really trying to give credit to Paul Hackett for putting Curtis Martin into the NFL's Hall of Fame? If so... Please tell me... Where was "Paul Hackett" during Martin's first three NFL seasons of play (with N.E) while Curtis Martin emerged onto the NFL scene with a combined 3,799 rushing yards and 32 rushing TD's along with another 117 pass receptions for 890 receiving yards and 5 TD receptions for a combined 4,689 yards from scrimmage and 37 offensive TD's along with two trips to Honolulu, HI (as a 2x Pro-Bowler) and 1 SB appearance after his first three seasons of NFL play, with Ray Perkins and Larry Keenan as his two Offensive Coordinator's? And where was this Paul Hackett guy during #28's 1st year as an N.Y Jet (1998) as he rushed us to the AFC Championship Game off of 1,287 rushing yards and 8 rushing TD's along with 43 receptions for 365 receiving yards and 1 TD reception (1,652 offensive yards from scrimmage) and yet another Pro Bowl trip to Honolulu, Hawaii with Charlie Weis as him & Parcells Offensive Coordinator? Let's see. Where was this Paul Hackett character you speak of during his 1999 & 2000 seasons when #28 combined for 2,688 rushing yards with 14 rushing TD's along with 115 pass receptions for 767 receiving yards and 2 TD receptions (a combined 3,455 yards from scrimmage and 16 offensive TD's) with Charlie Weis and Dan Henning as his two Offensive Coordinator's? Pretty funny. Curtis Martin had (already) combined for 10,181 Offensive Yards from Scrimmage along with 70 offensive TD's (including playoffs) as well as a 3x Pro-Bowler before Paul Hackett even ever arrived to NY. lol so, what are you even talking about? Are you sure you even watched and seen Curtis Martin play while you were out there in North Carolina? lol. And oh stop it already with your whole "only 4.0 yards per carry average as a Jet" nonsense. As if he wasn't forced to run against opposing NFL Front 7's who consistently and automatically stacked 8 & 9 men in the box all because opposing defenses and DC's didn't fear nor respect Chad Pennington's weak ass little noodle arm. As if NFL Defense(s) entire game plans weren't focused on trying to contain #28...Sad. And last but not least, how many other NFL Running Backe did the "great Paul Hackett" rush and put into Canton's Hall of Fame, not named "Curtis Martin?
So many twists and turns in this thread! Darnold talk, Sanchez debate, bringing up Jets' past failures, and now we put the cherry on the top, with Hackett getting credit for Curtis Martin being in the Hall of Fame. Thanks for the entertainment! Great news: The season is less than 2 weeks away!
Hackett did two good things....signed Carson Palmer, and this kid who was recruited by no one in CFB, signed him because his uncle was coaching at USC, and a former Trojan RB, the kid was Troy Polamalu. That’s it.....horrible, horrible coach. He was followed by Pete Carroll.
I knew I'd get at least one person to bite. LOL I suggest that you re-check your stats. If you're going to use stats as the main focus of your posts, then you need to make sure that they're accurate. Curtis had 54 TDs before Hackett arrived, NOT 70. 70 is the total for his career including his years with Hackett. Hardly HOF numbers. Curtis had a very good career and was probably borderline HOF without those 4 years, but without those 4 years of Hackett being OC, I don't think Curtis would have made the HOF and probably wouldn't have deserved to.
Well, duh, of course Curtis gets primary credit, but he didn't play in a vacuum. He had help in the way his OCs designed the offense and by their play calling. A pass happy OC and Curtis' stats would have looked very different. If not for all the 3rd and long draw plays, Curtis' stats would have looked pretty different. Without all the carries that Curtis logged every year his stats would look very different.
That's an unnecessary argument to make. You could also say he would have been better staying with the Patriots. He could have been part of 3 Super Bowl wins. Could have signed with the Colts and played with Peyton Manning. The Jets could have hired a better Head Coach than Herm with a better OC than Hackett, and actually won a Super Bowl during that 2001-04 era. You say Hackett helped him, someone else could easily say the Jets held him back.
You want to look at a RBs career WITHOUT 4 seasons worth or production? A RB? Half of most HOF RBs careers? His productive years? And credit the one calling the plays? Curtis Martin is a HOF in any level, removing seasons and trying to figure out if he's still a HOF back without 4 seasons is pointless. Hey, next let's debate whether Joe Namath is a HOF QB if we take away his first 4 seasons. Those who want Klecko in, take his first 4 seasons away, do we bother? Lol.
I credit his durability which allowed him to compile a lot of yards. He was not the most dynamic of backs and did not get a lot of yards on his own.
What the hell are you talking about?!?!? Curtis Martin finished his career with 100 TD's (90 rushing/10 receiving); not "70". He also had 8 postseason rushing TD's so he technically finished his career with 108 TD's (not "70"). And oh yes Curtis Martin DID have 70 TD's before Hackett arrived. If you were comprehending while reading you would've noticed the part where I had mentioned... Key words "including playoffs" ala 8 postseason TD's before Hackett. You really did not watch Curtis Martin (outside of primetime games) while being out there in North Carolina back then, did you? And are you also saying CMar only had "54 offensive TD's" before Hackett arrived? Not including playoffs (lol)... 1995: 15 TD's (14 rushing & 1 receiving). 1996: 17 TD's (14 rushing & 3 receiving). 1997: 5 TD's (4 rushing & 1 receiving). 1998: 9 TD's (8 rushing & 1 receiving). 1999: 5 TD's (5 rushing TD's & 0 receiving TD's). 2000: 11 TD's (9 rushing & 2 receiving TD's). Maybe you're the one who needs to "double check" your accuracy and/or perform correct mathematics. As you can see above #28 recorded (might want to use your calculator)... 62 regular season offensive TD's + 8 postseason offensive TD's ='s (exactly what I stated) 70 offensive TD's (BEFORE HACKETT). And stop acting (and pretending) as if any other offensive coordinator(s) would've used Martin any differently than his 4 former OC's with or without "Hackett' throughout his next 4 seasons as a Jet from 2001-2004, despite the fact that before "Hackett" lol Martin had ALREADY combined for 10,181 Offensive Yards from Scrimmage along with 70 offensive TD's (including playoffs) as well as already being a 3x Pro-Bowler before Paul Hackett even ever arrived to NY. Only a dumb fk would then sit here and say "Hackett made Martin and/or Martin needed Hackett' despite having already accumulated over 10,181 Offensive Yards from Scrimmage along with 70 offensive TD's (including playoffs) as well as already being a 3x Pro-Bowler before Paul Hackett even ever arrived to NY. And you've still FAILED at answering (the most important question) and telling me where oh where "Paul Hackett" was during.... Answer the question @NCJetsfan where the fk was your little "Paul Hackett" to have been found back then while #28 was well on his way to H.O.F GREATNESS? . And oh yea. Martin had 4 OC's before Hackett in Ray Perkins, Larry Keenan, Charlie Weis & Dan Henning who all used Martin the same way as their bread and butter offensive weapon so what in the WORLD makes you think "Paul Hackett" is oh so special and would have used him "differently"? . And why did you avoid the 2nd most important question?!?!? Bet you can't answer that question, either .
I didn't see him getting pounded, in fact I saw him get plenty of time to throw on some passes. And zero sacks. Don't confuse Bridgewater's play with Darnold's. I see Darnold as pretty good, but we won't know for sure until the real games begin. Ron
In fairness to them, no it itsnt. It was that this regime finally was allowed to tear the mess down, strip the fat, overpaid vets off of the roster and to restock with young, inexperienced players. Its not on them that it should have been the plan the moment a new regime was brought in and the Rex/Idzik experiment failed and was dumped.
With abysmal C play and injuries on the OL along with a clueless Petty playing 3.5 games Jets OL allowed only the 14th most QB hits a year ago. QBs were rushed at times this preseason but there werent a crazy amount of hits or sacks. Yes we need to upgrade, IMO more help is needed with the run blocking issues than pass protection.
