Allen Vs Mayfield at the 3 pick - what the film shows

Discussion in 'Draft' started by GasedAndConfused, Mar 26, 2018.

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If Rosen and Darnold are gone, who would you pick with the 3rd pick?

  1. Mayfield

    63.2%
  2. Allen

    36.8%
  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Your vast post history is a pile of poop that I'm not wasting my time sifting through, all I have to do is look at your recent post history to know this.
     
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    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, but I think the idea that Mayfield isn't worthy of the #3 pick is utter BS. That idea is predicated solely on his height. That's old school, narrow minded, biased thinking. He is worthy of the #3 pick due to his accuracy, his production, his leadership and his competitive fire.
     
  3. PJ4Ever

    PJ4Ever Well-Known Member

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    If he was 6'3 he'd be the top pick in the draft, without question.
     
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    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Because it isn't about names, it's about what they can do on the field. Mayfield is a 6' stick of dynamite holding a football. No QB in this draft has Mayfields combination of pocket awareness, field vision, pocket toughness, touch, and accuracy. He lights teams up on a regular basis.

    Mayfields detractors have overwhelmingly shown an anchoring bias on a few talking points. Despite these points being continually debunked, the detractors continue to double down and do so without evidence.

    It's no secret that Mayfield isn't your physical mold QB, but he has shown he can make every single throw required of an NFL QB. He has connected on several throws that traveled 60 yards in the air and hit the receiver perfectly in stride. Allen might be able to throw the ball 80 yards in the air, but how often will he need to do that?

    Mayfield gives you the total package in a QB, instead of simply being elite at one or two things. And underestimating him because of his height and other ridiculous factors is more fuel for the inferno he brings to the field every week.
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Probably the best breakdown of Mayfield’s game I’ve seen. Thank you for posting. I don’t know how you could read/watch that and still run with some of the awful theories we’ve seen surrounding Mayfield. Best combo of what you want in a QB in the entire draft, and if he were two inches taller he’d hands down be the first pick in the draft.
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Also this:

     
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    JetsFan Well-Known Member

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    The NFL is changing and spread offense is more common than you realize.

    During the 2016 and 2017 seasons a combined 61% of all NFL offensive plays were run from shotgun. Super Bowl winning Eagles ran 72% of all there offensive plays from shotgun last year. When Rogers is behind center, Green Bay runs 75% of their offensive plays from center. Cam Newton runs 74% of all his plays from shotgun. Roethlisberger runs 72% of all his plays from shotgun.

    Coming from a spread offense is no longer a kiss of death for a college QB.
     
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    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    I saw your post to mine and another one a minute later

    I ask to agree to disagree but you won't acknowledge that...instead you call Allen a preference despite tons Posts that show he is far from a "preference" imo..you can deny it ..don't care

    I like Mayfield but you prefer Allen .ive had it like a few others had with you ..Ignore Time
     
  10. ..And Allen detractors haven’t done the same thing???

    ..And by the way that article suggests nothing to do w his drifting in the pocket to find passing lanes or his inability to drop straight back w pocket discipline & fire the ball into tight windows.thaats his #1 red flag in my opinion.

    Also,don’t think anyone thinks he can’t play just bc he came from a spread scheme.But it becomes a major point of contention when Mayfields stats/completion % comes into play.of course Mayfield is gonna complete more passes than the other QBs bc he played in a system that catered to that w a good surrounding cast no less
     
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    In case the link doesn't work, these guys start talking about the QBs at 13:05 and they do bring these points up.
     
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    http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-j...raid-of-josh-allens-low-completion-percentage
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    LMAO
     
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    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    He wrote that article before the senior bowl was even played. Check the date.

    Total fail of an article.
    Anyone who watched the game will tell you Allen, Lauletta and White played excellent football and were the standouts.
     
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  17. Interesting discussion.Didnt hear anything about Mayfield passing lane/window issue. I guess if your a stat guy which pff is all about Mayfield is your guy. I respect what they do but still trust my eyes over dropping random stats into different buckets.
     
  18. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    It's a combination of everything. Watching with your eyes is the start. Metrics are statistics with context added in order to derive analytical value and help inform whether what your eyes are seeing is accurate or off base. Then there is a host of other data points that when merged together generate a complete picture. The result isn't the same for different people because even when utilizing statistics and metrics, the input and output are often driven by a person's underlying biases developed through their experiences.

    I would like to ask that for the two points you made, drifting and drop backs, please bring some video evidence, show the plays, show the results, show that it is a consistent issue (or link to a post where you've done this already, hard to see everything).
     
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  19. It all has its place no doubt..for some it’s the be all end all..for me it’s nothing more than food for thought.Doesnt mean I’m right but I get alittle taken aback when new stats are created to explain other stats.Stats on top of stats in my estimation shorts a lot of context.

    So what I mean about Mayfield drifting is he rarely drops back within the pocket & releases the ball downfield into a window w.o first drifting from side to side in the pocket to find a throwing lane to get the ball downfield. Defenses in the nfl will try to keep him in the pocket & get pressure in his face,challenging him to stay disciplined & get his ball off w a dirty windshield.Further they’ll play face up short area zone challenging him to throw downfield into a window within the same scenario. If he can’t do that it could be a major issue & one that’ll absolutely effect his production on the next level

    I’ll be happy to supply video evidence but I’ll need time to do so.Rest asssured I’m not side stepping your request
     
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    The game means little, in the past scouts would leave before / don’t even watch. It’s the practices that teams put stock in because they get to see how prospects go about things on a day to day basis.
     
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