when a WR needs to stop, turn around, and jump outside for a ball, it's a underthrown by quite a bit. the gronk i listed is a perfect example of how it should have looked. Notice how you don't see many clips of mayfield's recievers catching the ball in stride
colleges and even in the NFL will tailor their offense to help an under talented QB. we even seen jax do it this year. we did it with sanchez. nobody says that, you hear his completion % (which is not accuracy BTW) is lower because he goes downfield a lot and has to make a lot of contested throws. Meanwhile according to the PFF link, 80% of mayfields passes were to wide open WRs yet every shitted on cousins here for his D losing them games, and everyone whitted on rosen for his D allowing 17.5 PPG more on the road resulting in nothing but losses on the road. it doens't work both ways correct, it would still be darnold.
I'm not equating completion % and ball placement as one and the same, either. As you say, however, ball placement is a component of completion percentage, and the better the ball placement, more than likely the higher the completion percentage. There could be a correlation in reverse as well (the higher the completion percentage, the more likely the QB has good ball placement), but not necessarily. The QB could be throwing balls that are catchable but negate any chances for the receiver to get YAC. The thing is Mayfield's YPA was the best in the NCAA this past season by a fairly big margin. Of course, the abilities of the QB's receivers is a factor here, but so is ball placement. It wouldn't matter how great the receivers were if the ball placement was such that the receivers were immediately or almost immediately tackled and had little or no chance to get YAC. I totally disagree with your statement that there's no way to project what Mayfield will do and think that your concerns are way overblown. I'm not worried at all about Mayfield's ability to fit passes into small windows. I've seen him do it in games, and when coupled with his completion percentage, arm strength, and YPA, I'm convinced that it's a nonissue, or at worst a minor issue, and not a big risk as you suggest. It's not as simple as you suggest, either. There are quite a few QBs in the NFL whose ball placement isn't all that great and yet they still manage to play and thrive.
i'm just showing the film. it's weird that people on a forum for football don't' understand that completion % is not accuracy. it's possible for sure, that's why i made a rosen vs mayfield thread already as well I thought he was 6'1" for some reason. he's the same height though apparently. still he also plays in a dome, wasn't all that good in SD, and really hit his stride with sean peyton calling an offense for him. Drew brees on the jets, in the meadlowlands wouldn't be the same drew brees we know today. he was also drafted in the 2nd round and wilson in the 3rd. I'm not getting on everybody, just people who are ignoring the breakdowns provided and going off stats. the people saying mayfield is accurate because his completion % when the film shows the opposite or saying allen has poor ball placement when the film shows the opposite as well. it's not hand picked by me at all. give me a video, any video i'll do the same. you can pick the plays
exactly, the mayfield lovers are falling in love with his "attitude" and his college sucess, and not looking at how he would transfer into the NFL
yeah but as a big supporter of Mayfield I do see where he throws too high sometimes.. which takes some of the accuracy off of his lead passes. Great prospect, but really that's all I see that he truly needs to work on. The rest will come with experience. I think this can be fixed quickly.
because completion % (70ish) and wide open WRs (80% of his passes went into "clear windows" according to PFF) skew the stats a lot. you cna't use college stats to evaluate a player. it's been shown a dozen times over, that college stats don't translate into the NFL. ignore the stats, watch the throws
Mayfield was outplayed by Fromm a freshman QB in the biggest game in Mayfield's career. He's own coach took the ball out of his hand in the most important possession for his team. Mayfield played on a team that was loaded and he played well. He wasn't great in the Georgia game. For Oklahoma, the second half drives went like this: punt, punt, punt, interception, punt, and a grand total of 37 yards. He was also horrible against Clemson. Big games where he underperformed. Big red flags. Against teams that could compete with OK in big spots he was mediocre.
I've heard it said before and I agree that CMP% is more of a team stat measuring the level of execution of your passing game more than it is a measure of a QB's accuracy.
All one has to do is watch Mayfield play and one can see that he's very accurate. Even if CMP% is more of a team stat, who is the player mostly responsible for execution of the passing game? The QB is, and Mayfield excels at that. A QB doesn't set the all-time NCAA Passing Efficiency Rating two years in a row if a QB isn't accurate and can't excute a passing attack.
It seems like all of the "Big 4" QBs have question marks. Shows how much a crap shoot the draft is. Either way, for all we know, the Browns will wait til #4 to pick their QB and the Jets may have a shot at Rosen as well (or even Darnold). Crazier things have happened.
You put Rosen, Darnold or Lamar Jackson on that Sooners team and they would've beaten Georgia. Fact that the coordinator took the ball out of his hands says volume!
They do, but so will future QB prospects. If you're waiting for the perfect QB to enter the draft, it will be a long time before it happens. And even then, there's no guarantee that said QB pans out.
Mahomes was pretty close to perfect. In fact, if the 2 guys we are arguing about in this thread had a baby, he would look like Mahomes. We didn't need to trade up for him.
Again, you showed like 4 plays. How many slightly off target throws do you think I can find from Drew Brees this year? Then I’ll start a thread highlighting them and post something like “just look at the throws in my post and you’ll see he’s not accurate!” The sample sizes are too big and the biases are too strong. Mayfield is not inaccurate. Josh Allen is not the worst quarterback to ever enter the draft. We’re forced into our corners to scream hyperboles trying to convince each other when in reality the gaps between the players are nowhere near as large as we claim them to be.
that's a corner fade and a perfectly thrown ball. if you don't know the difference between a fade route and a seam route, you don't have any business being in this discussion don't cherry pick. just give me a video and i'll start at the beginning. I didn't cherry pick anything. i took highlight videos and started form the beginning.
