If Kirk Cousins signs with the Jets

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  1. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    There’s probably a part of him that wonders how long Brady and Bill will be around... playing in a division with the Dolphins, Bills and Brady or Bill-less Pats has to be enticing.
     
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  2. legler82

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    No I don't think we would "head and shoulders" better than a healthy Redskins offensive roster with the addition of just one player. If that was the case, we would not have been the consensus pre-season favorite to land the fist pick in the 2018 draft and would have won much more than 5 games. Don't let the Morton/Bates smoke and mirrors fool you, we really were not talented on offense.

    With or without a healthy surrounding cast, Cousins has consistently put up the same numbers 3 years straight, a fact many of his fans here will not let anyone forget. During that span, he's won roughly about the same number of games. Based on this, I don't get the point of all this "poor Cousins" talk; would he have thrown for over 5,000 YDS, scored 50 TDs, completed 80+% of his passes and gone on to the Super Bowl had everyone been heathy? If not, what exactly are getting at here? The NFL is a 100% injury league, everyone goes through it. Remember way back when Enunwa was supposed to be our #1 WR?
     
  3. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know why you’re putting so much stock into preseason projections. They mean literally nothing. I guess no one told the Saints and Vikings they were supposed to be mediocre at best.
     
  4. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    He will go where the money is. It’s always about the money especially when they say it’s not
     
  5. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    I think we sign Cousins...Pay a boatload of money. It will be nice to be chosen but I won't jump in pure joy.

    I just wanna win playoff games and get to the dance.
     
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  6. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    You certainly wont do that with cousins


    https://purpleptsd.com/kirk-cousins-is-a-bad-idea/

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  7. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    Thats certainly not the point. The point is for then money cousins is going to get, hes not worth it. Its been shown how much bad contracts set back franchises. If it were for level appropriate money, then im sure nobody would argue it. Cousins is not worth 25 mil a year. If teams havent learned from flacco, brock os, and Glennon, then they ate fools.

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  8. playtowinthegame

    playtowinthegame Well-Known Member

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    I think you're selling Taylor a little short. I think he'll have job security in the form of a new contract before the draft. Wether that's with the Bills or another team. Same goes for Bridgewater. I think he will get a prove it deal with a team before the draft. McCown is the most likely signing to happen. Listening to Jamal Adams speak so highly of McCown today in Minnesota shows me just how much he's respected in that locker room. Seems like the Jets players want McCown back. I could see Bowles wanting McCown back as well. It's like Queen Latifah said....U N I T Y.

     
  9. JetBlue

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    Glennon and Osweiler contracts aren’t even in the same ballpark as Flacco or Cousins’ soon to be deal. Their contracts are bad because they aren’t starting QB caliber players and thus are dead money on the cap that doesn’t supply any value. That isn’t remotely the same as Flacco or Cousins who are starting caliber QB’s and do provide value. Flacco has been the same inconsistent QB they won with, and have been the same second place team they have generally been with him. Plus they lost Ray Lewis.

    Citing a few bad contracts doesn’t mean every QB paid big money is going to be a bad contract just because they aren’t elite.
     
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  10. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    Youre totally not getting the point. Yes citing a few bad contracts supports the idea that giving big money to qbs blindly is a bad idea.

    All these contracts are in the same ballpark regardless of numbers. All are overpaid qbs who NEVER lived up to the money they received. The Ravens won because Flacco was playing well just as their defense, but you are correct. Without Ray, they dont win.

    Nothing cousins has done as ever shown him to be elite. Honestly barely shows him to be a starting qb. I already broke down why in the other thread so I'll keep it short here, as not to blindly insult you. Essentially the redskins won much more the less cousins throws. Whenever he throws 30 plus times or for 300 plus yards his record is somewhere around 500. In reviewing his stats, his numbers look much better because he plays from behind a lot, often due to his own negligence.

    Joe Flacco is the perfect example. Overpaid qb who probably doesnt win a super bowl without that defense, regardless of how well he played that post season. Im sure Baltimore wishes they didnt give him tha lt contract.

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    How is paying Cousins paying him blindly? You know exactly what you are getting. And the market is that good QB’s are going to get paid alot; so your dependency on him not being elite is irrelevant.

    The Jets ain’t getting an elite QB next year no matter what, and if they go with a QB in the draft he won’t be elite for a few years either. But the Jets can be successful with a good QB, and cherry picking one stat, without also providing the context of the Redskins running game or defense in those games doesn’t indicate the outcome is due solely or primarily on Cousins. Two events happening simultaneously does not equate to causation.
     
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  12. zace

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    Listen spare me your ridiculous blind disagreement bullshit. I know exactly what im talking about and did my homework. Its much more than one stat. You wanna see what i wrote go find it in the other thread, otherwise do some research to back up your point. Mine is pretty solid and im not the only person who sees this from him.

    Hes not a great qb, i wouldnt even call him a consistent good qb. There is a reason Washington didnt pay him. Hes only as good as the tream around him. He wont make your team worse, but he certainly wont make them that much better. Hes proven that time and time again and his win record supports that hes 26-30.

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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Geez, I mean Cousins is a top 10-15 QB in this league. Hasn't reached his peak, perhaps could do more. Barely starting tho? That's a stretch @zace
     
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    Its really not. As Jets fans, were so starved for success at qb we see everyone elses cast offs as the next great thing. Hes not, ive seen him more than enough to know hes not going to be a great qb. Let him go to denver with an aging team that needs a true rebuild and run them into the ground. He wont make them super bowl contenders i guarantee you that. Thomas has to actually catch balls and they have zero running game and problems on their oline.

    Just draft a young guy and lets develop him.

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    And that's the problem as I see it. "The good is the enemy of the great". That fits perfectly. Having "good" QB like Cousins may get them more quickly to the playoffs, but that's about all, unless the Jets somehow find a ton of supporting pieces on both sides of the ball, That's not likely to happen in one year or maybe even two. So while Cousins is making them better, he's also putting them into "draft purgatory" where they won't have access to the top picks. Meanwhile they're going to be using up a lot of cap space and unable to get a lot of quality in FA. So they return to the "heyday" of 9-7 or 10-6, make the playoffs and that's about it. And by the time the Jets realize that's the best Cousins can do, they'll have wasted 3-4 years, and still have a chunk of his salary to cover.

    Sure, it's possible that he can do more, but not based on his or the Jets track record. I understand that the reality is the Jets have to try and sign Cousins, and if they do, I hope it works out better than what I expect, but this just smacks of the SOJs, chasing after yesterday and not being able to see tomorrow.
     
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    I think we have different expectations of what Cousins can bring here. No, Cousins will never break the record books (well maybe the Jet ones), but do I think the Jets can win a lot of games with him? Absolutely, a 3 to 4 year window is an eternity in the NFL. Jets should still look at a QB late like Lauretta to pair up with Cousins so we establish a sense of what the QB position is all about.

    Jets have some young weapons and with a solid QB in Cousins, you got yourself a situation where perhaps he could actually achieve his potential as a QB, maybe somehow exceed it if Mac plays his cards right with the line. Do I see Cousins as a guy that throws 40 touchdowns and breaks all sort of passing records? Absolutely not.

    If Cousins was on the Jets this year, they would've been in the playoffs. This coaching staff has gotten chicken soup out of chicken shit at the QB position and I think you credit that to Bowles and Mac. I saw that Seattle game and I saw something different in Cousins, the dude has cojones and can put a team in a situation to win. Yeah he does have that WTF moment every now and then, but what QB doesn't?
     
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    A lot of talk about the Vikings being top on his list. Minnesota is the best team looking for a QB so that makes sense
     
  18. zace

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    Theres no way this team makes the playoffs with him this season. There were more problems than just at qb. Quite frankly McCown played extremely well with what what he had.

    With all due respect, i think youre grossly overestimating what cousins can give you. The best record he had was 9-7. That was on a team with talent. Had the cowboys and eagle not been so god awful that year, he wouldn't even have gotten that.

    The redskins are not some bottom feeder team. I have no idea where this is coming from. They are not a bad team. They just arent consistent, and cousins had a lot to do with that.

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  19. westiedog1

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    Seem to remember a while back all the Jets were saying how Fitzpatrick was such a great locker room presence and how everyone wanted him back too, including Bowles. A more appropriate tune is The Four Tops: "It's The Same Old Song...."
     
  20. JetBlue

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    We can get hung up on this point, but you don’t know what blindly means if you are defending your use of it.

    And I haven’t raised an argument based on statistics; you have, thus it’s your job to defend that argument when it’s questioned. If you have the answers in another thread bring them in here, or don’t raise the argument in two different threads.

    But if you can raise the same argument in two threads you can certainly defend it in both as well. Otherwise you don’t have a defense to it.
     

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