Kirk Cousins Mega Thread. Post all your thoughts under this thread.

I think if you substitute the name "Ferguson" for "Hackenburg" and go back in time 2 years and post this, you'd have something!

 

Yes, I like the idea of signing somebody with potential like Foles/Keenum/Bridgewater, and also drafting a top QB to compete with them. Our QB competition over the past few years has been non existent. Not that they haven't competed, they did, but they just never even scratched the starting lineup over a 38 year old journeyman like McCown. I'm tired of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round QBs. Get a top prospect this time.

Having a top pick plus a young QB with a high ceiling could be just what the doctor ordered.

 

rebuild doens't mean you don't sign free agents though. plenty of guys under 25 you can sign as a free agent as well. It really just means you don't blow 1 year deals on older players. signing a young free agent is normal during a rebuild.

 

I think you need to do the same, my friend. Signing Cousins, means the Jets can forget getting a FQB any time in the near future (at least 5 years). Mac and Bowles could easily be fired after the 2018 season. Do you really think a quality HC candidate or OC candidate would want to come to the Jets and be stuck with an over 30 Cousins for 5 years or more? Maybe yet another novice former DC would, but I doubt an experienced HC or a young up and coming former OC would. They would want to draft and develop their own QB and build around him, not be stuck paying even a top 15 QB (which is still just around average or middle of the road) $30+ million a year, especially if after signing here, his skills start quickly eroding or if he gets seriously injured. THAT is a much bigger risk than drafting a QB in the first round and having him be a bust. At least that would pretty much guarantee that Mac and Bowles would be gone. Conversely, if the Jets sign Cousins and he plays well enough to get the Jets to 8-8 or 9-7, do you really think that Bowles and Mac would be fired? I don't, not for an instant. I know that you want to get rid of Bowles and Mac as much, if not more than I do. So why on earth would you be willing to sign off on a move that would more than likely guarantee that both would get an extension????

A new GM and HC would have no allegiance to the bust QB that Mac drafted and could draft their own QB.

 

Well, it depends upon what Kurt meant. If he's advocating trading 2nd round picks for a bunch of 4th, 5th & 6th round picks, then I agree with you. If he meant trading down in the 2nd round, to add an additional 2nd round pick or a 3rd & 4th round pick, then you aren't getting lower round picks or players of "camp fodder" quality in return.

In addition, he said "trading down after you get your FQB" which implies using the 1st round pick (#6) on the QB. There might still be a "stud" player with All Pro potential left at the Jets' first 2nd round pick, but usually, many players in the bottom half of the first round and top half of the 2nd round are rated pretty equally, so trading down doesn't necessarily mean that you get a much lesser player. At that point in the draft, being able to upgrade 2-3 positions, especially if they're positions of glaring need, with very good players can definitely have a greater impact on a team's fortunes than adding just one player, even if he is considered to be a "stud."

Even if he was advocating trading down from the #6 pick, let's look at one example and consider what might be better for the team. Barkley would be a great add, there's no doubt about it. He would be an offensive force. He has HOF potential. But having the ability to add say Connor Williams at LT, Sony Michel at RB and Ogbonnia Ororonkwo at OLB (or other similar players) could most definitely have a much greater impact on the Jets than adding just Barkley alone. It doesn't mean that they would, but I would like the chances. In addition, unless the Jets are able to upgrade their OL, that could limit Barkley's effectiveness and could even lead to a serious injury. The odds of two of the three or all three of the players you took instead getting hurt are much less than just one player getting hurt. At some point, in order to truly maximize their potential, teams do need one stud on each side of the ball, but it isn't necessary.

 

Anyone who wants Rosen or Darnold should be praying that someone is whispering over and over in John Dorsey's ear that Josh Allen's inaccuracy is fixable, since IMO there is absolutely no way they trade out of the #1 spot and there is absolutely no way that the Giants swap spots with the Jets. The only way the Jets are getting Rosen or Darnold is if Allen and one of them go 1-2, and the Jets then make a deal with Indy at #3. You can be sure that if Indy is sticking with Luck and Rosen or Darnold are still available they'll be making a deal with someone for the #3 pick, and if for some bizarre reason they don't Cleveland will with #4.

 

I don’t think it’s a lock at all that the Giants take a QB at 2, I think it’s more likely they don’t.

So even if the Browns take Rosen or Darnold the other very well make it to 3 and in trade up range for the Jets.

 

I totally agree with your first two sentences. I disagree with your last/bolded sentence. Indy could trade down, but then again, they could stay put and take Barkley or Chubb. Barkley would be huge in helping Luck stay healthy and make their offense a lot more dangerous. They desperately need an edge rusher. Similarly, Cleveland could add Barkley at #4 to the QB that they take #1. Cleveland has a lot of good young players. IMO they don't have as many needs as the Jets, and so don't really need a boatload of picks. They need a quality starting QB and a major upgrade at RB. They could decide to settle for Guice, Michel or Chubb at RB if someone blows them away with a trade offer for the #4 pick or if they sign Cousins in FA, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them stay put and take a great player at #4.

 

I'm not going to reply to anyone in particular, but at this point i'm honestly shocked about the way some jet fans feel about cousins when the last time we had a real QB cell phones didn't exist, VHS didn't exist, Color TVs didn't exist etc etc. cousins would instantly be the best QB we've ever had in our franchise and people are acting as if he's brady quinn or something, meanwhile saying they'd rather draft someone who we'd be lucky if they turned out as good as cousins

in his 3 seasons as a starter this is his average numbers per year

completions 377, attempts 563, 67% completions , 4392 yards, 27TDs, 12 INTs, 97.49QBR

Jets all time records
yards 4007 namath
completion % 65.7 Favre (only counting Qbs who started a full season)
TDs 31 Fitzpatrick
QB rating 96.2 Slow B

Lets look at Qbs the jets have drafted in the past 20 years
2009 Sanchez 6th overall - bust and traded up for him.
2000 pennington - 18th overall - could have been good but injuries killed his career
2013 geno - 2nd round - bust
2006 clemens - 2nd round - bust
2016 hack - 2nd round - hasn't played a snap in 2 years
2006 brad smith - 4th round - converted to WR
2015 petty - 4th round - bust
2008 - ainge - 5th round - bust
2003 - bollinger - 6th round - bust
2007 - mcelroy - 7th round - bust
2014 - boyd - 6th round - bust

so in the past 20 years we've drafted 11 Qbs. 2 in the 1st, 3 in the 2nd, 2 in the 4th, 1 in the 5th, 2 in the 6th, and 1 in the 7th. Every single one was a bust.

we also stop gapped QBs like testerverde, favre, mccown, fitzpatrick, vick, again at best some short term sucess and at worst disaster.

So now we have the chance to land a proven commodity who as a starter has not gotten injured or missed time and who's average season out of those 3 consecutive years would place him in the top 3 all time in every passing stat for jets records and people are acting as if it would be a terrible move.

Objectively speaking, you are all off your rocker

 

you wrong bruh, people comparing a 29 year old Cousins to a 40 year old Brett Favre ... that makes far more sense then what you said up here!

 

Thank you for this.

I really hope they sign Cousins. If they do, there will be something to be excited about for once with this organization.

 

I didn't "say" anything I listed stats if your argument is that we sholdn't look at stats at all, then your just not being reasonable

 

Have you considered the fact that so many of the people against Cousins want a solution at QB just as bad as those who DO want him?

Let that sink in before you anoint a slightly above average over priced QB as a savior.

And by the way..Sanchez a bust? Our definitions of a bust are obviously night & day.He started 4 years for this team including 2 years in the playoffs.Was he great?No.Was he the long term solution?No.Have we ever heard a single jets fan bitch & complain at the price we paid for trading up for him?No.Nor should they.

You’re criticizing others for being gunshy about paying a top 15 30 year old QB like a top 5 QB..but you yourself are gunshy about drafting a QB..you want the quick fix.Youre allowed to have that opinion but is it really that unreasonable for others to see the obvious flaws in that philosophy??

 

Sanchez set this franchise back easily 5-6 years. we probably would have won a SB one of those years with a guy like cousins under center. I never said cousins was a savoir, what i said was that he's a lot less of a gamble then a rookie QB. sure there have been bigger busts then sanchez. But woever we draft could be the next sanchez, or worse off brady quinn, jp losman, tim tebow, johnny manziel, brock oswiler, paxton lynch, jamarcus russel, RG3 etc etc. It's not about being a savoir, it's about the gamble. cousins is a known quantity. Even if you consider him average is he worse then eli who won 2 SBs? is he worse then carr who won none, is he worse then stafford who won none, worse then flacco who won 1? Both eli and flacco got record setting contracts and won SBs despite being pretty average Qbs. I doubt you think cousins is worse then those 2. with a drafted QB sure we might land a wentz or goff. but we have more of a chance to land quinn or russel. that's how the draft works. nothing is guaranteed. If your rent was due would you prefer someone to give you 5k or give you a scratcher that could win you 25k or nothing? sometimes taking the known quantity is better sometimes it isn't. it's really up to the jets FO to make that decision IF cousins even winds up being available which is still a big IF. Becuase you know as well as I do, that if we draft a QB and he turns out to be a geno smith you'll be bitching about it and we'll suck for the next 5-6 years again and be right back where we are currently.

 

crap man I was totally messin with you ... look at my avatar ... someone else compared Cousins to Favre

 

oh lol. hard to see sarcasm at times since so many people have been shitting on cousins for no reason.

regardless I'm fine with either route we go, whether it be cousins or drafting a QB. anything that improves us over petty, hack, and a 38 year old journeyman QB (no disrespect to McCown who was great but he isn't the future) I just find it funny how some are so against cousins and complain about cap when we have the 3rd most money to spend, the free agent market is a little thin, and we are FORCED to spend big due to NFL rules

 

Wow. Talk about exaggerating. People are totally losing their shit with Cousins now. Seriously, some of you guys are overrating him to the point of pure comic relief. I guess the real mystery is, with all of his unimpeachable greatness, how is his career record only 26-30-1?