I can explain... it's simple actually. McCown is an 8-8 -- AT BEST. McCown has 2 years left in the tank -- AT MOST. Jets have no clear replacement. 2 options are not being evaluated. Got it? Let's see.... McCown keeping 2 QBs on the bench is as important as letting them play.... Maybe you're on hard drugs in addition to chill pills...
Well, anyone is far ahead of Hack, so I couldn't justify his playing right now, but I could easily do that at the end of the season, which is where I have advocated playing him, not now. As far as Petty is concerned, as I said, he should have been starting earlier. If he had, then there would be no problem with his starting vs. the Pats. At this point, no, I wouldn't throw him to the wolves now, but if he had been starting the last two weeks I wouldn't hesitate starting him unless he had flopped really badly. If they had gone with Petty to start the season or after the first two abysmal games, I don't think it would have been difficult at all for the players to accept. I'd be willing to bet that there are players on that offense that like Petty and believe in him. They know that he can make throws that McCown can only dream of making. Petty's accuracy is as good as McCown's. Petty would give them a downfield passing attack as well, which should help open up things for shorter routes and the rushing attack. The young players know the team is rebuilding for the future and that the team has to find out what they have in Petty and Hack this season. They aren't stupid. I don't think the young players would have quit at all if Bowles had handed the ball to Petty 2-3 games ago. If so, it would mean the end of their NFL careers. I think they'd still be out there busting their butts. After 3 wins, with NE this week, and the Jets playing for first place in the division, then yeah, the players would balk at making a switch. As I said, I'm not saying that Petty should start this week, but if they're going to get a real evaluation of Petty and Hack this season, they can't keep starting McCown for a much longer. 2-3 games each is not enough to get a real indication of what a player can do. I believe that McCown has already stayed healthier and played longer this season than he has in years. Do you really think that Blowes is ever going to bench him as long as he's healthy? If things do derail as expected, I'm still not confident that Blowes would make the switch to Petty. What if things don't derail? What if McCown and the team play well enough to get to 6-7 wins? Is the team just supposed to forget about evaluating Petty and Hack and keep playing McCown? If so, they might as well go ahead and fold the franchise as far as I'm concerned, because I'll be done with them.
There is more to developing youth than playing two backup QBs. There is youth on the OL, at RB, tons at WR and new TEs to work into the mix. For a guy who claims it's so simple you got it pretty wrong.
Fuck the media and their talk, I never believed that "worst team ever, even worse than 0-16 DET" bullshit. But do you seriously believe this team will come anywhere near sniffing PO? They beat Fins, Jags and Browns. And for the record, I believe there is a decent chance they might beat NE next. But this still a middle of the road team. And yes, of course they won't change QB in the middle of the winning streak. But they should. Because evaluating Petty and Hack is infinitely more important that winning a couple of extra games.
I think what you're not taking into account is that all QB's drafted are not equal. When you consider guys like Hack and Petty there is very little of the Jets money invested in these guys. As a result, the organization doesn't feel it has to go out of it's way to develop these guys. Bowles said at some point last year that the way to the starting lineup is through the practice field. Despite what you may think of Bowles, we have to take him at his word. His job is to win football games, that's how he makes his living, so for him to play the guy who he feels gives the team the best chance to win is natural. For Petty and Hackenberg, like it or not, the burden of proof is on them to convince the CS they are better than McCown, and it's obvious they haven't been able to do that yet. Does that mean the Jets are derelict in not giving these guys a chance to prove themselves? Why should they sacrifice games or seasons to develop a QB, when they can draft a guy next year that may be able to start right away? If we were talking about a 1st round draft choice, it's a different story. Now the club has a large amount of money invested and needs to do all it can to get a return on that investment. For example, Jared Goff's (no.1 overall pick) contract is 28M and a 15M signing bonus. Compare that to Hackenberg's 4.6M contract, 1.5M bonus. Petty's is 2.8 and 0.55M bonus. When a team has that much money invested in a QB, that's when you make sure your QB gets all the support he needs to develop properly, and if need be, sacrifice wins to get him some experience. But you don't do that for guys like Hack and Petty.
Not to the people in that locker room. The people making the decision. Sure on the outside looking in that may seem like the right path, players want to win,coaches want to win. To expect anything else is just not reality .and why do we need to evaluate petty/hack? To see if we need a qb? The fact that we are having this discussion is evidence enough that we do. If josh mccown is your starting qb you need a qb. Simple math
So then if you're not a FQB, you stand little to no chance of developing as long as you're playing for the Jets? Evidently that's the case so since they don't have to waste any time developing these young players, why did they bother to draft them in the first place? Because they're cheaper than the $6mil Vet JAGS they love to bring in? Again, getting drafted by the Jets spells doom for any rookie QB unless they're the second coming of Manning or Brady? At this point it really doesn't matter does it as the Jets will continue to be who and what they are.. A mediocre franchise that will always be in the middle looking up.
Your underestimating McCowns experience and what that has to do with the development of the young kids on offense. 3,4-5 games is no where near enough time to develop the young kids as you stated. Petty can make the throws but also makes bad decisions. Like it or not McCown is the best QB on the roster. The young kids are not stupid as you say, I agree , but if McCown is pulled an an interior QB was put in, they would feel betrayed at this point. They are giving effort on every down but fuck them and set them up to lose and that effort is going to take a dramatic turn. This goes back to the tanking bullshit. The coaches are going to do whatever they can to win, the players are too. As of today , Petty is a career back up and Hack will be coaching his local HS team in a couple of years. If your really going to be done with the franchise because they are trying to win game's don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....
I totally disagree with everything you say here. I think McCown is shit. He doesn't make bad decisions, bad throws, hold the ball too long, and can't or won't throw the ball downfield? Whatever. I won't be done with the franchise just because they're trying to win games this year, but that will be the final straw that broke the camel's back. I'm sick and tired of 40 freaking years of stupidity and poor decisions and dumbass owners. IMO it's totally stupid to go with a 38 year-old QB who isn't the future in a rebuild year. It would be different if they were still trying the competitive rebuild shit, but they aren't. They need to give Petty and Hack every chance to succeed. Even if Petty is just a career backup as you say, he can still learn and improve by playing more, and he can still be a part of the team and helping it going forward. Playing McCown does nothing for the future of this team. Hack isn't ready to even see the field, so playing him at this point would be dumb. Of all 3 QBs on the roster, Petty has the best chance of sticking long term if they quit jacking him around. At this point, I wouldn't blame him if he told Bowles and Mac that they might as well trade him because he's walking as soon as he's a FA.
Obviously you have not been watching the games, I'm no fan of McCown but he has played fairly well. And as bad a QB as he is, he is still better than Petty who could not beat him out. Petty could demand a trade, no one would want him, who is gonna trade for a back up who demands to start or be traded? It would only hurt his value once he hits Free Agency. What's a competitive rebuild? Band aids to get to the post season? This is a rebuild, but the organization is going to try to be as competitive as possible. This season is going better than expected and that is something all jet fans should be happy about. If McCown keeps the young receivers developing , helps the TEs develop then he makes perfect sense. You want to throw away the progress because in your mind, Petty is the next Tom Brady. Brady is a once in a lifetime fluke. A backup who the Pats were trying to replace in the preseason that he eventually got the start in place of an injured Bledsoe. I hope Petty ends up starting for a great team on his next stop. I will be happy for both of you.
I think I am gonna just enjoy the ride this season...just like one at Coney Isl or Great Adventure Round and round she goes where it stops no one really knows I predict losses but they will be incredibly interesting with the McGown man on a roll and some circus catches by our young receivers and ASJ the reborn ahaaha
FQB is a title that's earned by consistent good play. All I'm saying is that guys drafted in the 1st round have more opportunities to prove themselves worthy of the title, whereas guys drafted in later rounds have less opportunities and have to make the most of the opportunities they get. This says nothing about who gets to be a Franchise Quarterback. Anyone can be a FQB if they play well enough when given the opportunity. Tony Romo, FQB, was an undrafted FA, Mark Sanchez, projected as an FQB but ultimately not, drafted in round 1.
They may think/feel that way, but if so, is that really wise? How much chance do they have with the JAGS they keep bringing in? Why does every GM and HC they hire have to be a GD moron? When are they gonna get one with half a brain that understands that sometimes good things come to he who waits? How is Petty supposed to convince Bowles when he never got any reps with the 1st unit, yet he played very well with the 2nd and 3rd units, played better and had better statistics than Hack who got plenty of chances, and whose stats are comparable to McCown's? Why should they sacrifice games or waste seasons to develop a QB? Oh I dunno, maybe because it would lead to their finally finding a true FQB, someone who they can build around and become consistent winners? Even if none develop into a topnotch QB, they've got to be just as good, if not better, than the JAGS they keep bringing in, and it would lead to some stability with the team, but why on earth would they want stability? Let me ask you a similar question...Why should they sacrifice games or waste seasons with effing JAGS like McCown and Fitz at QB? Using that rationale, why should they go with youth and do a complete rebuild? That just wastes seasons and costs games too. Further, when have the Jets drafted a QB that they could start right away? When have they had the opportunity to do that other than 2014? For a team like the Jets that haven't had a quality QB in decades, they should do everything they can to make certain that any QB they draft has every opportunity to succeed. To do otherwise is just flat out fucking stupid, because they're just wasting a draft pick, and are giving the young QB no chance to succeed. In the meantime, they just keeping cycling through the JAGS who suck balls. It's attitudes and thought processes like the ones you cited that has kept the Jets so bad for most of their history.
Nope, not simple. McCown is QB maybe means "need new qb" Or maybe means "need new HC". My $$ are on the latter, but probably need both. As to people in the locker room... For players - they are employees and I'm really not interested in their opinion on the matter. Especially considering their age. For coaches -- if HC doesn't understand the concept of long-term good for the team, then we need a new coach.
Ugh.. fine! Yes, they do. And opinion of Bowles on QB has ZERO value. It is his job indeed except he SUCKS at it.
Bowles tenure: Year_____Win___Loss 2015_____10____6 2016_____5_____11 2017_____3_____2 Overall___18____19 You're right. Jets are SOOOOOOOOO blessed that they agree with you in devaluing QB. Want me to include RR's numbers in there too?
