Snap Counts from the game: https://mingooland.com/blog/2017/08...uch-vs-titans-snap-count-totals-observations/ OFFENSIVE PLAYERS [offensive snaps, special teams] G Craig Watts: 56 G Dakota Dozier: 44 QB Christian Hackenberg: 43 WR ArDarius Stewart: 32, 1 RB Jordan Todman: 29, 7 C Jonotthan Harrison: 29, 3 OT Ben Ijalana: 29, 2 OT Brandon Shell: 29, 2 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins: 29 WR Jalin Marshall: 28, 3 RB Romar Morris: 27 OT Brent Qvale: 23, 3 OT Wesley Johnson: 23 OT Kelvin Beachum: 23 WR Frankie Hammond: 22, 6 OT Jeff Adams: 19 QB Bryce Petty: 19 OG Brandon Braeden: 19 TE Chris Gragg: 18 TE Jordan Leggett: 17, 14 RB Eli McGuire: 15, 9 TE Eric Tomlinson: 15, 6 OG Brian Winters: 15, 2 OG James Carpenter: 15, 2 WR Marquess Wilson: 15 WR Chris Harper: 15 WR Robby Anderson: 14 TE Jason Vander Laan: 13, 7 WR Myles White: 13, 3 WR Charone Peake: 12, 8 G Alex Balducci: 12 T Chris Bordelon: 11 WR Chad Hansen: 11 T Javarius Leamon: 9 WR Deshon Foxx: 9 QB Josh McCown: 9 FB Algernon Brown: 8, 2 FB Julian Howsare: 6, 9 FB Anthony Firkser: 6 DEFENSE [defensive snaps, special teams] S Doug Middleton: 43, 12 DE Corey Lemonier: 41, 1 S Ronald Martin: 38, 13 OLB Josh Martin: 38, 11 OLB Spencer Paysinger: 35, 14 OLB Jordan Jenkins: 30, 11 DE Claude Pelon: 28 CB Darryl Roberts: 27, 13 CB Derrick Jones: 27, 9 S Rontez Miles: 27, 9 OLB Julian Stanford: 26, 10 CB Marcus Williams: 26, 9 DE Patrick Gamble: 26, 1 CB Dexter McDougle: 25, 11 LB Connor Harris: 24 LB Bruce Carter: 23, 12 OLB Freddie Bishop: 21, 6 CB Juston Burris: 21, 5 DE Anthony Johnson: 20, 1 DE Lawrence Thomas: 19, 15 DE Devon Still: 13 NT Mike Pennel: 12, 2 LB Darron Lee: 11, 3 LB Demario Davis: 11, 2 CB Buster Skrine: 11, 2 S Jamal Adams: 11, 1 S Marcus Maye: 11, 1 NT Deon Simon: 11 CB Morris Claiborne: 11 CB Derrick Rivers: 10 DT Jeremy Faulk: 10 DE Leonard Williams: 9 DE Sheldon Richardson: 7 NT Steve McLendon: 6 DE Muhammad Wilkerson: 6 SPECIAL TEAMS: LS Tanner Purdum: 12 P Lachlan Edwards: 12 WR Lucky Whitehead: 6 K Chandler Catanzaro: 3 K Ross Martin: 1
IMO you couldn't be more wrong. Playing it conservatively sets up a young QB for failure. That means runs on 1st and 2nd down and then throwing on 3rd where opposing Ds can tee off on him. You have to keep opposing Ds off balance. You have to mix it up, throwing on 1st and 2nd downs. Since the Jets have some WRs and a TEs that can get deep, that would actually give them a chance to score some points or come from behind and win. If you've been following the Jets over the last 10 years you should have learned by now that playing conservatively does not work. Herm did that, Rex did it and now Bowles. It's a chicken shit excuse for football. It's "playing not to lose." It's playing in a way that puts too much pressure on a young QB and young team where they try not to make mistakes. The more plays they run, the more likely they are to make a mistake. The only way that we may not be built for throwing deep is the OL, and that's far from being a definite at this point. We have QBs that can throw the ball deep and we have WRs and TEs that can get down the field quickly. I'm not saying that the offense should be wild or reckless, but they have to play like a normal team if we have any hope of developing our young players. Limiting the offense, limits their development.
By the looks of the defensive players, there's going to be some rookies that make it. The final picks on cut down day might have some surprises. There is a lot of good players to chose from. As long as none of them get hurt many will find a home on other teams.
It's not that I am picking on him targeting the first read. That wasn't even on my mind. In WCO, the short passing attack is the bread and butter, and the engine of the entire offense system. As such, precise mechanics is imperative. One of which is the [sight adjustment.] Watch the clip again. By rule, QB in WCO is not supposed to be [looking at the direction of throw] before he's ready to deliver the strike. He's supposed to keep the sight [up the middle] until the receiver gets open. That was what Walsh meant when he preached "We will not telegraph our throws." Hack? He's looking at the direction of the play before the snap, and stays fixed on it. That's what caught my ire more than anything. It's not even like the routes were all 3-step drop quick outs either. [That's what you take when the defense gives the coverage to you.] Regardless of whether 1st option is open or not, the QB must not be giving the hint to the defense under any circumstances.
I agree that is the aim of a WCO QB, and I think Hack will get there. I don't think he had a problem with telegraphing his throws in college, and was able to go through his progressions well in college. I truly think that they're taking it slow with Hack and are rebuilding him from the ground up. They focused on his mechanics, and probably have him sticking with the first read to help with his accuracy. Then as he feels more and more comfortable, both with the offense and his mechanics, they will open things up having him make multiple reads and not just sticking with his first read. I may be mistaken but I think it was the Green and White game or maybe a practice where the reporter said that Hack looked off the safety and froze him and then made a beautiful throw. If he continues to lock onto receivers that will definitely be a problem, but let's see what happens and how he plays in preseason game 2. Right now, I'd say that McCown is the starter, and the plan is to start Hack when he's comfortable, confident and has gone through the Jets' checklist of things they're working on with him. I think it may depend upon how quickly he can master that checklist as to how soon he starts. I feel certain that he will play at least 6 games this season, and could possibly play a lot more if he progresses faster than the Jets think or if McCown goes down with an injury.
BacktoQueens, Thanks for the snap counts!!! Interesting to see how many snaps each player got, especially on STs.
Hack was not only throwing to his first read and he went through his progressions multiple times. Anyone saying otherwise is a hater and nitpicking.
Brady does the same, he's getting it to the open man. He surveys the defense and knows what's there before the snap and delivers the throw. I don't understand the issue.
I don't hate anyone here. Sometimes I get frustrated with the negativity, cynicism, impatience, and crazy ideas, but it wasn't too many years ago that I was a darksider, and this team is enough to drive anyone nuts, so I understand. I also get frustrated with some people's reading posts too quickly and not thoughtfully and people not keep up with reports, articles, etc., and then making a statement that they would have know is untrue if they had kept up. I understand, however that people have lives and not everyone can spend as much time following the Jets as I do, or don't have the desire to spend as much time as I do.
It was disappointing that the offense scored no points with Hack at QB, but if not for the penalties and dropped passes, they may have. If they don't score with him at QB the next few weeks than it will be a cause for concern, but right now, I'm not too worried about it.
He took shots down field also, at least twice that I remember. Both times the WR was covered well and Hack threw it over them and didn't force it in. So yes they are going to take shots down field with Hack
After the game Hackenberg said he did not want to compare himself to last year. I will though. He looked much better. He had that nice drive against the Giants we all remember, but besides that he was pretty bad. Petty was injured in the Eagles game, so Hack had to play more than he expected and he looked overwhelmed. Last night he played more than McCown and Petty combined, and he handled it really well. Back to last year: his poor play shouldn't be blamed on him though as he barely got any reps in practice behind Fitzpatrick, Smith and Petty. It's still early in his career, but Jets fans should be pleased with his progress so far.
I'm concerned about the middle too. What concerns me is Demarrio Davis reading plays well and making the right calls, if that is his responsibility. On the other hand they were rotating Leo, McClendon, Mo, and Sheldon inside. Simon is stout at NT also. So we'll have to see how this goes. You could see them possibly playing three safeties at times down the road, and there may well be some good depth in the secondary. They need to get some positive play from OLB also, particularly an outside pass rush. There's potential for the D to be very good
48-31 TD's to Intc....... At Penn St. I think it will be a problem when things are more than staring down your first option. And it will get to that. Time will tell on him.
Or he will excel at seeing things develop ahead of time, and hit the right guy quickly and often. Envisioning things happening before they actually happen is a skill that the best athletes have, and is something that many people don't understand.
So all game he practiced seeing things ahead of time? He didn't read the defense that way. What he may have noticed was a DB playing off of somebody 10 yards, or he knew the direction of the first cut and threw it out there. I'm happy he didn't go out there and shit the bed, but let's keep things grounded. 16-22 little over a hundred yards, a pick and a fumble, before I had to leave. Zero points is the big one, 2 turnovers the other big thing. Nacho did the same shit for too long here. If Hack blossoms, AWESOME!!! If not, he will be another Mark Sanchez with a better arm, up till now.
Staying with first read is not the matter of concern here. [Sigh] If he cannot fix his head, he's done. It's a basic step that shouldn't need easing in. Either you practice before bad habit forms, or you leave it alone. He shouldn't be practicing with failing forms. It's not just Hack - it applies to every athletes. It does not matter how hard one practices. If he does not practice with correct form and mechanics, he's practicing to fail. It's that simple.
I didn't say that. I said that having a certain skill will allow him to make the right throws often by seeing things that will develop ahead of time. Any thing he did last night did not betray anything one way or the other, and coming to conclusions that he's limited in his ability to read things is jumping the gun, and you're the one getting ahead of things. Then blurting some shit out about Sanchez means nothing to me. Read my lips: fuck Sanchez; I never liked liked him, so bringing him into this with me is irrelevant. You keep it grounded with that noise. It means shit in this conversation.
I saw him without my Hack glasses on. He didn't do anything as far as this skill you mentioned. Simply put he played pitch and catch to whom he chose in the huddle. I'm not jumping any gun. It was what it was last night, I watched him right up until he went out. It looked like Nacho was our QB again. Period
