Jets off season rebuilding plan

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  1. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    It's a pissed off fan perspective that contradicts itself and has zero merit. First he knocks the resigning of what he calls second tier, backup, scrap heap players. Then tries to claim were missing out on the compensatory picks. Second tier, backup, scrap heap free agents don't qualify for compensatory picks.
    Williams and Johnson were actually tendered, not resigned , and Martin was arguably our best special teams player. All good moves.
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah so what happened in 2016? He never learned his job and the results reflected that. He lost the locker room and every player under performed.
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    I would settle for 3 8-8 season straight as long as they are making progress and you can see the building process. But Bowles took a 10-6 team with basically the same talent and ran it into the ground.
     
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    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    Bowles sucks as a head coach but he didn't run a 10 -6 team into the ground. The team way overachieved in 15. A very weak schedule, breaks and bounces made a poor team look much better. Fitz had 31 picks dropped in 15. Bowles coaching was as bad as last year, only the easier schedule masked some of his faults.
    Last year age and injury, a better slate of opponents led to a disastrous season. The only difference was the locker room fractured under the stress of loosing. That's on the veterans and Bowles.
     
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    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Gruden in that group because he was a tough administrator (attitude) with players which I think most teams need with todays kid millionaire prima donna player

    Plus he also won a SB

    tbh you don't have be in an elite coaching group to hold others accountable
     
  6. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Im really for the first time completley losing faith in this franchise to the point where i barely even care anymore.Every offseason for the last 5 years has been a "rebuilding" one and we havent built anything.We are building on quicksand.
     
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  7. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    We never rebuilt though. Always trying to find a quick fix through free agency. This team has the most impatient fan base of any professional sports franchise. Read this forum. Fans crying after the first day of free agency that we haven't made a big splash when we have very limited cap space. Crying for a quick fix for this season. It doesn't work and just maybe this time there will be an actual rebuild vs reload. By design or financial restrictions. Hopefully by design or next season the crying fans will get what they want. Big $ spent on over the hill free agents. A good season, possibly 2 , then the house of cards will collapse as we have no $. The young core can't be resigned. The old vets break down and we are right back here saying rebuild.
     
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    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    First of all, calling this fan base "impatient" is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We are coming up on 50 years since we've been in a Superbowl. We had a glimpse of greatness for two years as of recent, and have yet to make the playoffs since, which is now going on its 7th season. So calling us "impatient" is a dumb remark.

    Second, I agree with everything else you said. We have never rebuilt. We have always fought desperately to field a competitive team by spending a lot of money in free agency which never yields to any success. As I said, 7 years and we haven't made the playoffs. Things are finally looking up. It may seem the opposite but it finally seems right. We have a GM who isn't necessarily fighting for his life to hang on to his job and he is doing exactly what this franchise needs. Lose the heavy weight, sign cheaper and smarter free agents, and use the draft, which from recent drafts, he has shown to be quite good at.

    Jets fans need to get something through their head. It pains me to see this, but it is the absolute truth. As long as Tom Brady and Bellicheat are here, we are not gonna reach the end goal. All roads lead through New England and while we may have had luck in the past, we simply can not field a team good enough right now to beat them. And it is a very tough road not winning your division to reach the end goal. I can accept that now. Once you accept that, things get a little easier. We need to focus on building a solid young core. We need a franchise that wins consistently, not one that has a few good years and falls apart.
     
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    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Im not saying overpay veteran FAs again like Revis etc...But there was a good amount of younger guys available .DONT want to hear "build through the draft" we are the worst drafting team in the NFL.And when we do finally draft a stud player we trade them or let them walk.
     
  10. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    We can't afford any of the younger free agents. The $ just is not there to sign them. We only have about $9 million in actual cap space available after our FA signings, draft picks and low tier FA signings. Sure there may have been a player we could sign for that money. Then trading back in the draft is off the table since we can't sign extra picks. When we have an injury, suspension , we can't even sign a player at league min .
     
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    Look, I understand that the Fans, my self included have been suffering for close to half a century. But it's those same fans, and their children and grandchildren now , who have always been calling for a band-aid on a gaping wound.
    We as a fan base have never accepted the idea of an actual rebuild.
    That's the stupid thing.
    Embrace the pain for a couple of seasons to get over the decades of at best, mediocrity.
     
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    Might have been posted before but did anyone hear about the rumored Cincy/NYJ trade?

    It just says McCarron for Sheldon. I think Cincy would have to sweeten this a little bit. So AJ and a 4th for Sheldon. Do we do it?
     
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  13. C'mon. Why are you gonna hammer the fan base? Look at the nonsense we have to deal w. every single year for going on 50 years. Hell look at the lack of QBs over that same timeframe. Are we impatient? Of course! Every fan base is.When you factor in our 2 neighboring rivals being absolutely prestine in every single aspect...I think we have a damn good reason to be salty.

    It's up to the front office to have enough fortitude to ignore the fans & stick to a plan for success. They never have. As you stated they are always looking for the quick fix in FA....and never seem to have the right approach w. the draft. Even when they claim they wanna rebuild...the draft picks are beyond awful..year after year..

    Is this finally the end of that cycle? Are the football gods finally gonna shine their grace on the "other" tri state team? Who knows...but there is nowhere to go but up..
     
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    Well you're going to hear built thru the draft because that's how it has to be done. Jury is still out on this scouting dept. Mac has brought in several new people since he was brought in. I think we've had one draft so far without Bradway and co's input.
     
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  15. Bradway is #1 on my list for reasons why our drafts have sucked so bad. He was involved heavily through drafts up until Mac's arrival. Idzik trusted him to run the 13' draft & was heavily involved in 14...including the genius idea of waiting on a WR till round 4...and was heavily involved w. the drafting of draft day great Jalen Saunders.
     
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    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    I'd love to build through the draft but none of it matters when you aren't building around a franchise QB.This team has no foundation to build around...
     
  17. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what your take is here. Don't bother getting good players until you have the answer at QB?

    I'd say a "foundation" is a core group of good young players, not one guy.
     
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    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    I'm not hammering the Fan base. We as the fan base have always demanded the instant fix. It's still happening today. With no cap space the fan base wants a big splash in Free Agency.
    That's the message we send the FO and owner.
    Boycott the team, don't buy the merchandise. Hit Woody in his fucking wallet and there will be a change. As long as the fans scream for a one or two year fix and keep giving Woody their hard earned money. It won't change.
     
  19. Of course foundation is important..unfortunately the modern NFL has made the QB position essentially a prerequisite to success..when you factor in we havent had one in 50 years...and the cheaters we face in our division w. their "shady" golden boy...that need for a signal caller becomes even more glaring.
     
  20. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    With the right pieces a good QB can be a FQB. Do we just not draft players, sign anyone until we get a FQB?
    That FQB is going to come from the draft . Teams just don't let them walk.
    A FQB is only as good as the coaching staff and players around him. If we wait to get that FQB before building a solid team, he will be gone by the time we assemble that team around him. This isn't Fantasy Football. It's the NFL. You build for a future, not a season.
     
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