Yeah, thats fine. I get the plan. I guess I dont see these guys winning against Petty and Hack like you do. But if they are selected and they do win outright, so be it. I'd much rather that than have some retread. And I agree with NC that Tyrod or similar would make the Jets just good enough to be mediocre. Not the answer...
What do you consider to be early 2nd round? Is the Jets' 2nd round pick early in your opinion? If so, I think that could be where they wind up taking Mahomes or Watson if they take them at all. What if Mahomes fell to the 3rd round and the Jets took him there? Would you view him as a "project"? You asked another poster a question regarding Prescott. No one viewed him as a year one starter, yet it worked out. The Jets could take a QB in the 3rd or 4th round and he could wind up starting day one. As you've said, there are no guarantees for where the Jets will be drafting next year. IMO that means the Jets have to do what they can this year to address the QB position. I think you've said that you also favor somewhat Ron Wolf's philosophy of taking a QB every year, but may be mistaken about that. They may have both Mahomes and Watson rated as 3rd round prospects. Both may be taken by pick #6 or before the Jets pick in the 2nd round. You've also said that you don't think a vet QB should be brought in that would serve as a block to the development of a young QB. So in that case, if both Mahomes and Watson are gone before pick #6, are you saying that you would want the Jets to sign a vet QB who might wind up serving as a block to the development of a young QB, and not drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round, even though going with Petty, Hack and a draft pick at QB might enhance their chances of drafting in the top 3 next year? Also, why do you think the Jets will have a lower pick next year than this year? Why are they going to be better? Do you think Bowles will have learned? Do you think the draft picks will make that big a difference?
No disrespect intended but that's utter nonsense.. You can't put a Franchise label on a QB just because he starts the first year. I can give you many examples but Sanchez would be one sure one. And please don't micro/nt pick all the faults/mistakes he had his 1st year. That was expected for a 1st year rookie thrown into the fire. Also, you really think Dallas expected Prescott to come in and perform the way he did his 1st year? A fluke as any can describe because of the injury to Romo.
First, I am certain that Mahomes or Watson will NOT last pas the 1st round, and possibly even past the first 5 picks (though I think at least one of them will), so planning on taking them with their 2nd pick is wishful thinking and not realistic. While I'm willing to gamble, I wouldn't take that gamble if I believed they could be my FQB. So second, assuming the Jets pass on taking them at 6, if one of therm WERE available with my 2nd pick I'd grab them in heartbeat, but I don;t think they will be. Third, if somehow, beyond all understanding either were available in the 3rd or 4th rounds I would not consider them "projects", but WOULD snap them up. In other words, my personal assessment is that these guys ARE FQB material, regardless of where they get picked, Fourth, is it possible that there could be some other QBs out there who actually are FQB material, but no one is really talking about them? Yes, but very unlikely. If the Jets had a proven track record of finding QB gems, I would have more faith in them picking a QB who is more than just a project in the lower rounds. Fifth, as I posted above, I CAN see them taking a "project" QB on with the conditions I described. And yes, I do subscribe to Ron Wolff's strategy of taking a QB every year, BUT not if you are already carrying a project QB. If the Jets don't think Hack is ultimately going to be a FQB, a la Tom Brady, then they need to cut him and get another project, so in that case yes, they should take a QB in a lower round to fill that bill. Finally, I believe the Jets will likely win more games this year than last year, even with Bowles, because they will have upgraded the talent, and they will have an easier schedule. I can easily see them going 4-12 or 5-11 or 6-10, and I don't think that will earn them a top 3 pick.
First, thanks for answering all my questions. With regards to your fourth answer bolded above, no one thought Prescott would start last year or play as well as he did. I didn't even see him as a possible FQB. I thought he would be a bust, and I've been much more right than wrong about the QBs who have been drafted over the last 10 years. I doubt that Mac would do it much for the same reasons that you doubt he'd take either Mahomes or Watson at #6, but I'd like to see Mac go with Petty, Hack and a rookie QB taken in the 3rd-5th rounds. Why? For several reasons. One, that would signal to me that Mac had supreme confidence in Petty and Hack to be able to handle the QB position this year. Two, it would say that he really liked the potential of the QB that he was drafting, and was hedging his bets on Petty and Hack a little, so that if either proved him wrong this season, he'd have another young QB prospect in the pipeline. Three, I don't think that Bowles would start either Mahomes or Watson unless they just came in day one and blew Petty and Hack away, and I don't think that would happen. I think Mahomes will struggle more than you do based on his footwork/fundamentals and level of competition. I think Watson will need a lot of work on reading Ds and his decision making. Four, I think it would possibly greatly enhance the Jets' chances of drafting in the top 3 next year, so that if neither Petty nor Hack showed that they were definitely going to be the FQB going forward, the Jets would be in great position to draft a QB in 2018.
I'm NOT saying that any QB who starts his first year is necessarily a FQB. I'm saying that a TRUE FQB should be able to start his first season, not that you want that, but if you had to he could. Sanchez started because they thought he was better than he was, and they didn't have anyone else better. And I'm okay with that decision - at least they found out about him early. Or at least they SHOULD have. Apparently though they didn't - they thought he actually WAS a FQB for the reason you stated: they drafted him with their 1st pick and started him his first year. But he wasn't, and when the Jets let all the talent around him disappear they finally saw him for what he is: mediocre and unable to carry a team by himself, which is the ultimate mark of a FQB. And no, Dallas did NOT expect him to start his first year. Even they underestimated him. I use the Cowboys to prove the point that even the experts often underestimate a player's ability. You and others are so sure that Mahomes or Watson can't possibly be FQBs, but why? Have you seen their film, read the analyses of them? Are they perfect? Of course not! But how can you say s assuredly that they aren't FQBs and therefore not worth a top 10 pick? Would you take Prescott at the 6 now? How about Carr? The point is that if the Jets believe either can be their FQB, they should take him at the 6 and not worry what anyone else says.
I have no facts or proof to dispute any of your points, and if it worked out as you say, I wouldn't be unhappy. Believe it or not, I'm not the agent for Mahomes and Watson (but damn I wish I were!) And yes, if Macc drafted another QB it would indicate that he feels Hack has "graduated" from "prospect" to at least actual backup, so then having the next project in the pipeline makes sense. I guess we'll see how it all unfolds.
Looks like Kaepernick opted out of his 2017 contract with the 49ers. I could see him as a Jets prospect next year. I'd much rather have that than Romo, Cutler or some other over the hill hasbeen. Look for the Jets to reach out to him if they don't draft a QB.
I think his baggage would prove too heavy to carry in NY with all the media attention. Plus, he'll want more than it would be worth to give him.
I have no facts to prove my points, either. We're all just making educated guess or going with our "gut." Yes, being the agent for Watson or Mahomes would be awesome!
Kaepernick forgot that his primary profession was QB last year and that this required him to focus almost exclusively on bringing his performance back to good levels. Unless it's clear that he's focused like a laser on being a great QB I wouldn't touch him right now. I'm not specifically upset that he did the national anthem protests last year, I'm specifically upset that he sucked balls at QB and didn't somehow clue in to the fact that if he wasn't focused like a laser on being a great QB he had no chance to pull that off. He had the right to do what he did but not the foresight to realize that it was going to affect both his play, the perceptions of his play and his future prospects and I don't necessarily think you want to bring that to NY to play QB in the media cesspool that develops from time to time.
Geno Smith says hello. He was only a 3 pick difference after the 36. There are no QB's since the 70's who were taken in the 2nd round after the 4th pick of the 2nd round who were any good. The closest you have active at this point are Brock Osweiler, who clearly is not a particularly good QB and Jimmy Garoppolo who has been warehoused behind Brady in New England.
Yes, it's perfectly ok for him to express whatever opinion he holds, as long as it doesn't take away form his primary responsibility of being the best QB he can be and the best team leader he can be. That's what he signed up for and accepted all that money for, so he needs to make a choice. Just because it's a free country DOESN'T mean your choices are free of consequences. In contrast, I would point to Mohammad Ali, who certainly created a firestorm and was a hugely polarizing figure. But one, he wasn't in charge of leading a team, and two, he didn't allow the firestorm to impact his performance. If Kaepernick wants to hold an unpopular stance, he'd better be able to handle the flack that's going to come with it, and in NY it will be 10 times what it was in S.F.
CBS Sports Pete Prisco Mocking Pat Mahomes to Jets at #6 Hmmm...taking no chances apparently. Gurus expecting PM to blow out the Combine Decisions..Decisions
Neil Lomax, 5th pick of the second round, 1981. Boomer Esiason, 10th, 1984. Randall Cunninham, 9th, 1985. Brett Favre, 6th, 1991. Jake Plummer, 12th, 1997. What's really stunning is how few QBs are picked in the 2nd round at all. There are a ton of QBs picked in the 1st or 3rd, and sometimes there are two or three years in a row with zero taken in the second. Given the above list of guys who were each pro-bowlers, and unarguably great values in round 2, plus a handful of Charlie Batchs, Kordell Stewarts, and Shaun Kings--guys who were solid backups and spot starters for years, the hit rate on 2nd round QB picks is actually pretty good. The Browning Nagle and Mike Elkins type bust picks are relatively rare, given the small pool of 2nd round (after the top 4) QB picks from 1980 to present.
To me, what's really stunning is how little is understood about assessing ad quantifying a QB's potential after all these years. It still seems like most teams just throw darts at the wall/ What it also seems is that teams that develop great QBs also know how to build their team around a particular QBs skills. A good example is the Packers becoming great with Favre, then going to Rodgers who is completely different, and adjusting the team to his strengths. So it's not completely dependent on finding the "perfect" QB, you also need to know how to develop one, and assemble the talent around him to maximize his strengths and limit his weaknesses. The Jets haven't done this. They seem to think that if they can find a great QB - even one past his prime - they can let him carry the offense while the coaches focus on the defense. I know that's not what it is in reality, but it seems that way.
Can we please retire the stupid "Name says hello." sentence? It is without doubt THE dumbest sentence I've ever seen on Jets fan sites and never should have lasted. It is utterly mindless. I suspected the next paragraph wasn't true, but didn't have time to go back and research it. I'm glad that TwoHeadedMonster did and put the lie to your claim. Just stop already. Even if what you said was true, it doesn't mean that it will always be true. In fact, I think the odds would overwhelmingly be that teams would be due to start hitting on their 2nd round QB picks. TwoHeadedMonster showed that they already have.
100% The Jets ownership, management, coaches, and fans alike all seem to think that the key is to win the QB lottery. Winning franchises, on the other hand develop QBs. The management and coaches can prove the first sentence wrong by going into the season with Petty starting, Hack on the bench, and an emergency clip-board holder. *Not saying that that will make the Jets a winning team. Not even saying it's a good idea. Only saying that it will prove portions of the first sentence to be false.
