Defend Maccagnan

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  1. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    The Jets already had signed Carter, who was considered a very good FA pickup.

    They had Harris, Mauldin, who they thought would improve on his 5 sacks last year. Williams, Sheldon, Mo, McClendon.

    So it's not like they had nothing coming into the season, they were actually considered a strong defensive team.

    On the offensive side they had a good set of WR, Marshal, Decker, Enunwa and an up and coming Anderson.

    The oline was considered the weak link and they turned out to be pretty good when it was Clady, Carpenter, Mangold, Winters, Ijalana.

    The only thing that leaves is the QB, TE and CS.

    Fitz killed this teams chances everytime he took the field as their starter, I know the other 2 guys were not ready but from the beginning of the year he was the Achilles Heel.

    Thats where I blame the CS, Chan, while he has well designed offensive plays, his pass heavy scheme is not the right fit for the Jets, with Fitz as their QB.

    TB needed to force Gaileys hand and ask him to cut back on the shotgun formation and empty backfield formations. This should have been done from day one, TB waits till it's too late to put his foot down as the HC.

    We lose out on what could have been a good one two combination of Powell and Forte, running game.

    Now Gailey is going to be fired and the search for a balanced OC will begin, so instead of TB exercising his authority and ask Chan to adjust, the jets QBs are going to be asked to learn a new system, with a lame duck HC.

    They will be fired at the end of next year and it will start all over again.

    It's not macs Fault that TB is a bad HC and failed to manage his CS and the players properly.

    Mac has not been perfect but I think the CS failures is the biggest reason the Jets are in this situation.
     
  2. King Koopa

    King Koopa Well-Known Member

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    How is it that a bunch of fans on a message board could predict that Fitzpatrick was going to get destroyed looking at our early schedule and that he's a waste of time and money ...but the GM and franchise as a whole couldn't?

    I have no choice but to blame Macc for this massive blunder as he is the GM of the Jets

    He could have went a different route via the draft or a trade for a backup if he hated Heno that much as a starter but nope....We had to endure an embarrassing holdout all summer which ended in us forking over 12 mil for a damn JAG. The same JAGs were backups across the league for like 3-4 mill.

    Fitz decision single handidly ruined the team early on and we never recovered. Maybe things go differently if Geno starts out OK and never gets hurt....But we could have an extra 12 million right now for next year which is huge

    Disgraceful
     
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  3. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    It's disgraceful, I agree, but even a diamond when looked at through a microscope has flaws. Not that Mac is a diamond, but you have to look at the body of work and not just a single decision, that's what happens when an organization hires individuals that have no previous experience.

    There will be mistakes, that being said, this off season will be a good indicator of just how much Mac and TB have learned. It's inevitable, they are coming back, let's see what they do to make this team better.
     
  4. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Every good team uses the TE a lot, we haven't had a good TE since Mickey Shuler....never seen a team go thru a whole season with zero production from TE position till these morons
     
  5. James Hasty

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    While Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp was a bad decision he was one hell of a tight end. With Brady and Keyshawn blocking downfield our RBs had a ton of daylight to run through.
     
  6. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    the entire gm job for the jets is a fucking catastrophe, you are in charge of what happens.... BUTTTTTTTTT

    the moron owner and his moron hired guns get to hire the coach.... then they get to decide to keep him.

    its still the same bullshit, stupid ownership and stupid power structure.
     
  7. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Champing, eh?

    P.S. I am not here to flame you, champ. Believe it or not.
     
  8. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    You forgot the part where the defensive genius of a coach makes you waste your first round pick on the guy they just need to implement their awesome defense here.
     
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    Yeah, I've wondered that. If our coach is such a defensive genius, shouldn't that free us up to use our resources on offense?
     
  10. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    Not if his name is Rex or Todd.

    For some reason the name Eric did allow us to build our offense. Go figure.
     
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  11. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    hey champ, will you be changing your sig to acknowledge woody's brother running the team now?
     
  12. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Regardless of who influenced the free agent signings, it remains that we only targeted stopgap players with no future with the team beyond 2016. It was Tannenbaum style 'rebuild,' through and through.

    Blame whomever you want, but it was ultimately Maccagnan signing these deals so he has to assume 80% of the responsibility and you can tack on the other 20% of the blame.

    The fact is that they were not forward thinking signings. Meanwhile everyone here tries to defend our general manager acting like they were his only options.

    Look at what the Giants did. They spent an equal amount of money on the following players with their age listed at the time of their signing: Damon Harrison (27), Janoris Jenkins (27), Olivier Vernon (25), and Keenan Robinson (25), while resigning. Jason Pierre-Paul (26) on a one year deal given his hand situation. That's how you build a core.

    2015 was also a damn good year for free agent tightends including Julius Thomas, Jordan Cameron and Charles Clay. So we didn't want to commit big money to the position, right? We couldn't have went out and signed Jermaine Gresham, Jacob Tamme, Virgil Green, or someone like that? Our front office was content with taking a 0 at one of the 22 positions on a starting roster. That's inexcusable.
     
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  13. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    when you see the same things happen across multiple regimes you realize that the lowest common denominator is the idiot who owns the team.
     
  14. BomberJet

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    I liked the Revis move , have to admit. Who would have guessed his regression was so quick and detrimental in his effectiveness to make the plays he was so accustomed to? Mac had many choices to make...I'm not going to dwell on woulda-coulda-shoulda-...2nd guessing is of no solution to the present problem. We have Mac and Bowles as the leaders for the current time, so talk about what can be done here to fore.
     
  15. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's really important to remember that 30 is a big deal at every position except QB. If you're a 29 year old star at any other position the odds are that you're going to be half as good as you are now in under 2 years.

    One of the big reasons for this is that teams do everything they can to protect the QB and ensure his success. The NFL protects veteran QB's in a big way also.
     
  16. BomberJet

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    Ok, a plan...that's fine......though I'd rather go with Taylor than another question mark coming out of college. Watson rates a 3rd round grade in my book. Do we really need another questionable QB to sit on the bench?
     
  17. BrowningNagle

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    Jets tight end position: 26 catches, 268 yards 1 TD.... combined. OVER 2 years!!

    Atlanta's 3rd string TE, some guy named Levine Toilolo, ranked 57th in the league among TEs in catches, exceeded those number of touchdowns and yards just this season.

    3rd string! 57th ranked TE! 1 season! better than anything we've had combined in 2 years. I'd say Macc might want to look at the position in free agency
     
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  18. HackettSuxTNG

    HackettSuxTNG Well-Known Member

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    A General Manager is responsible for the quality of the play ON the day of signing.
    A Head Coach is responsible for the quality of play AFTER the day of signing.

    If Revis, Wilkerson, and Fitzpatrick gave us 75% on the field of what they gave us a year ago, are we having any discussion of this nature? Hell, he even had the foresight to sign Fitzpatrickfor only one year!

    Go back to the day these guys were signed. What were the better options were there?

    In my mind, the only criticism you can give Maccagnan is for his God-Awful second round draft picks
     
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  19. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Laughably embarrassing Browning
     
  20. HomeoftheJets

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    A GM is 100% responsible for having foresight. That's what separates the good ones from the bad ones.
     
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