For 15 Monday Press conferences he spoke about getting better and not making so many mistakes, MISTAKES, and never mentioning a lack of effort or calling anyone out for not pulling his weight or even saying he is wondering what is wrong. Don't give me the crap about we will handle it in house, if you don't call these guys out on the sidelines when they are dogging it or doing something stupid, they don't worry about being reprimanded in house, Revis should have been called out in the beginning, Richardson, Wilkerson, maybe he should have mentioned the Prior is continually screwing up Harris has lost two steps not one. Marshall being allowed to start after that quit job against Miami. Guys like him do not know how to handle being a head coach when these issues come about.
Bowles reminds me too much of Rex Ryan and not in a good way. In his second year I have seen a team riddled with piss poor attitudes turn into a steaming pile of shit. There's legitimate locker room division and we all know that it's because some were so hell bent on Fitz being the starter while others saw him as a detriment, ie: Marshall/Richardson problem. How many times have we heard the excuse of "blown coverage" "mental mistakes"? To me it screams lack of accountability. Since we have quite a few high profile players on this team who don't care, why has Bowles insisted on playing them? If you want your players to respect your message you have to be assertive and not blindly back veterans because they're more experienced. If it wasn't for all the injuries we wouldn't have seen many of the players get a shot this year. I don't know if he will be retained, to be honest I'm ok with retaining him and firing him because there's legitimate reasons to back both positions. Personally, I think Bowles has done little to improve and his mismanagement of the team has made me question whether he is capable of improvement. Getting blown out to division rivals will surely not sit well with Woody regardless. Nonetheless, I can't wait for the season to end. This season has been abysmal
you gotta fire Bowles on black monday. Say what you want about it being his second year, idc, the man has allowed the ONE fireable offense to happen. He has lost the respect of the players in the locker room. That is not something you just get back. That issue should always get a coach fired IDC if its his 1st year or his 20th year. Many a coach has fell victim to that issue and Bowles should be the next. Chalk it up as a learning experience for him, he's still young maybe he grows from it, but here with the New York Jets organization- - you HAVE to move on. Fire him and get a grizzled old prick veteran coach that has seen it all to shake this place up.
If the grizzled old veteran head coach misses the playoffs in his first two seasons, does he get fired?
no. simply missing the playoffs shouldnt cost one his job. overseeing a team that is completely unprepared weekly and half assing it, should though. i am extremely discouraged with both macc and bowles but I believe while both have made their fair share of mistakes, one of them appears in over his head. I believe a change needs to be made and if a change is made it should absolutely be the HC first. you disagree? or no?
What if the grizzled old prick comes in shakes things up and gets under the skin of the players, and they give up immediately and go 1-15 in the first season? Then they go a Jets-respectable 7-9 the following year? I'm trying to understand the amount of leash a grizzled veteran gets over a rookie HC who is over his head.
a grizzled veteran should absolutely get a longer leash than a rookie HC in over his head. that's life. you gotta prove u are competent first, fair or unfair. now please answer my question about bowles. do you think he should be fired or not?
I already answered your question in the poll. Now please list the grizzled old veteran HC candidates who have proved to be competent and that you believe will even bother taking an interview from this team if they fire Bowles this year.
Fire him! He is not competent, and the further we go as he learns on the job, the further away from the Super Bowl we will be.
There are only 32 NFL jobs and a few that open up each year. The list of grizzled veteran coaching candidates willing to take a the Jets job would be way too long for me to list. Fuck we were a punchline for the entire 90s, canned 2 coaches in 3 years with a loser dying owner and Bill Parcells left a SB team to come here. You think people are going to turn the Jets down because of Todd Bowles? I can't see your individual answer to the poll.
You believe Bowles should not be fired. Tell us one positive thing Bowles is doing or has done that gives you reason to believe he is in a position to make this team succeed.
If the line of grizzled competent veterans who would take the Jets job is so long, why haven't they hired one since Woody Johnson owned the team? There's been 32 teams in this league for a while and I don't remember reading a single HC candidate fitting your description actually interview for the job. Just "hot rookie HC candidates" who are never qualified to do the job. Parcells left a SB team that wouldn't give him full control, and went to a division rival out of spite. And proceeded to ruin the rival team's salary cap situation with his full control, then bailed and left them up shit creek for years. We're now a punchline again. And there's no Parcells hanging around, waiting to "save the day" out of some arrogant spite. Unless maybe you can name one. ?
the Jets haven't hired a HC with experience since Woody has taken over as owner because those guys cost more. Rookie HCs are much cheaper options. And the Jets continually rank among the lowest in the league in terms of what their coach is making. When I suggest there are veteran coaches available that would be willing to coach the Jets that all lies on the hope that Woody would open his pocket book a little, which he might not be willing to do. (that's a separate discussion) But they aren't swinging and missing on veteran coaches because no one wants to come here. And they wouldn't. I'm not saying I necessarily want this guy but Marvin Lewis is likely out the door in Cincy. That's an organization that usually goes cheap on their coaches too. Offer him $6 million a year which would tie him for a modest 10th highest paid coach and he'd come here in a heartbeat. There you have your grizzled veteran coach who has seen it all.
Isn't the "Woody is cheap" argument a bit old and played out? And what makes you think that this year would be different if that's your real argument? All I've read about the older veteran HCs over the years when the Jets were hiring was that so-and-so has no interest in the Jets job.
woody is cheap as an argument is a bit old when people apply it to players and the salary cap but not to Head Coaches and General Managers. Facts are facts, the Jets have never paid a coach more than $4 million annually since he's been here and right now that figure is second to last in the league. Rex Ryan was making $3mill here
Woody Johnson openly stated that they were trying to get Mike Holmgren to take the job before Bowles was hired. Hell, there were reports everywhere that they'd do "whatever is necessary" to bring Cowher out of retirement, including getting rid of Tannenbaum, before Rex was hired. Nobody experienced would give them the time of day before Herm was hired. There's no evidence that I've ever seen that a veteran HC was ever interested in the job. And just throwing money at a guy would only be a small part of the equation, no matter what you're willing to think.
Well Johnson is not going to openly state that he is unwilling to pay these coaches what they are worth.
