It's the Fitz show once more!

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  1. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    I have tickets to monday night football...i refuse to go now
     
  2. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

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    I haven't missed a Jets game since I started watching this team back in 08 but this might just be the first time I am going to miss a game. My time can be better spent doing something else on Sunday. I can't wait until Bowles gets flushed down the drain. Utter garbage.
     
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  3. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Yeah... against Buffalo and NE on the road.. Then they'll say: "Told you so! Petty isn't ready/sucks". This is of course after Popeye Gailey draws up a HS gameplan for Petty to "execute".

    #FreePettyNow!
     
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  4. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Best get your days of the week correct cause this week they are on MNF :mad:
     
  5. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    First, let me say that Mac has made mistakes. He's human and any GM is going to make mistakes, especially a young, first-time GM.

    Would you risk getting fired over something your boss wanted or ordered you to do, and you knew that if you were fired, you'd never get another job of the same level/type? I doubt many of us would unless it somehow violated one of our core ethic principles or something.

    If Mac were fired after one season for refusing to re-sign Fitz, he would never have gotten another GM job in the NFL. Conversely, if he can hang on, continue making other good moves to help the team, draft good players, and build a good body of work, then he could perhaps keep his job and maybe get a raise, or if he wanted to leave could quit and possibly get a GM job with another team.

    Now the following may be only hypothesis, with no basis in fact, but it could be very similar to what happened. Please consider it for a moment if you will.

    If Woody ordered Mac to re-sign Fitz and Mac refused, he probably would have been fired, and not able to help the team in other ways, and his careers as an NFL GM would be over. He may have initially argued against it, but when Woody and Bowles refused to relent, he could have said, "OK, I'll go along with it and re-sign him, but remember when things go wrong (as they will), I was against it. Maybe you'll trust me more in the future." He thus could have gone along not only to keep his job, but in the hopes that Woody would eventually trust him, listen to him, and allow him to make the moves that he wanted to make.

    Woody's obviously calling most of the shots now. With Bowles and Mac equals, Mac's hands are pretty much tied in terms of the roster and personnel. In that scenario, the chances of the Jets getting anyone any different or better than Mac are slim and none. At least Mac will have two years on the job, and if my scenario is anywhere near correct, Mac may be gaining Woody's trust and respect. That at least gives us some hope. If not, and Mac is fired, the whole process starts over again, and there is zero hope that things will get any better for the foreseeable future.
     
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  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I didn't read most of your post because its 100% speculation, I'll just say Macc wouldn't have been fired for refusing to sign Fitzpatrick and that it is a General Manager's job to stand in and tell the owner the right football decision despite the pressure. And it happens all over the league quite a bit.

    Snyder in Washington was RGIII's best friend. You don't think the football people felt pressure from Snyder to play RGIII? They probably had intense pressure, more than your speculation here with Fitz, to play a guy the franchise mortgaged their future for and the owner loved. But nah, they are good football people and they told Snyder they need to go with Cousins. Look where they are now.

    At the end of the day I think Macc wanted Fitzpatrick back anyway, I don't think he was fighting any pressure. He deserves blame too. His signature was on Fitzpatrick's $12 mill contract.
     
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  7. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    You have no idea whether Mac would have been fired for not re-signing Fitz. You just have a closed, one-track mind and refuse to even try to see things from another perspective.

    Snyder and Woody are two different people. To say that Woody would have reacted the same as Snyder is laughable and a total logic fail. Your reasoning powers are sadly lacking.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    haha okay buddy. In a year or two you will turn on Macc anyway so what difference does it make
     
  9. jcass10

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    Yea, I dont think there is any question Mac wanted Fitz back. Maybe he didnt want Fitz back at the number he was brought back at, but he definitely wanted Fitz back on the team. Maccagnan's hands are bloody here as well. Unfortunately, Mac doesnt get the benefit of hindsight that we get lol, since at the time, I didnt hate the move.
     
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  10. NYJFOREVER

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    I didn't even know what day they week they were playing... Goes to show you how much I care about their season.
     
  11. The Dark Knight

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    We don't know, we are not there. However, if they are looking good and not being given a chance, that would be insanity. Haha.
     
  12. Martin&theJETS

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    Sounds about par for the course honestly lol.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    What a fuckin' moron, it will take a stake thru the heart to get this loser to the bench
     
  14. RuJFan

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    Petty and Hack are not good enough to lose games?
     
  15. RonPi

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    Well, we still have a 1% chance of making the playoffs as the last wildcard spot,
    so that's why Fitz is going to start. We are already eliminated from the AFC East.

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/11/what_it_will_take_to_eliminate_jets_from_playoffs.html

    "According to the New York Times playoff simulator, the Jets have a 1 percent chance of making the playoffs."

    Hopefully we'll lose this weekend and be knocked out completely, and then we may get to see some
    interesting stuff at least.

    Ron
     
  16. WhySoSerious488

    WhySoSerious488 Well-Known Member

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    I think it is evident at this point that Petty will not be getting starts this season. Bowles has no interest in playing him, and he is not the future. Whether or not we like that, it's reality at this point.

    Unless Bowles is fired, it will be Romo or Cutler in 2017, hopefully the former.
     
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  17. buddapaw

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    Where you there?
     
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  18. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I may turn on Mac eventually, but right now, it's way too early to make a definitive call on him or his draft classes. We don't have all the facts. Eventually, more of the facts will come out, and we'll all be better able to make a realistic and accurate analysis of the job that he has done.
     
  19. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    As far as anyone should be concerned, Maccagnan has been Tannenbaum part II thus far. Big splashy moves in the offseason for tons of money that mortgage the long term future of the franchise.

    Tannenbaum was 65-63 as our general manager with three playoff appearances and two AFC title game losses. Maccagnan is now 13-14 with no playoff appearances through two years. We'll see where he finishes.

    Conversely, Idzik was 12-20. His first two drafts yielded the same amount of starters as Maccagnan's and one can argue better starters with Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters & Pryor vs. Leo, Lee, Jenkins and Mauldin. Idzik signed Decker & traded for Ivory with virtually no cap space. Maccagnan trade for Marshall and signed Cromartie, Gilchrist, Carpenter, and Revis with tons of cap space. Cromartie is gone, Revis and Gilchrist will both likely be cut. Carpenter is an average NFL guard whom goes into the 2017 season as the 11th highest paid guard in the league out of 64.

    I'd be lying if I wasn't extremely curious as to where Idzik would've went with all that cap space.
     
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  20. Ralebird

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    Even if he does it for a different team? You can't have it both ways.
     

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