Darron Lee

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    I'd disagree. Alex Smith isn't a better scrambler than Fitzpatrick if anything they're very similar and nearly identical.

    Fitzpatrick has 13 career rushing TD's when compared to Smith's 9 career rushing TD's and they both have an exact/identical career average of 4.6 yards per rush attempt.

    I'm not sure where all of this Alex Smith being a better/more productive scrambler than Fitzpatrick talk is coming from?

    Smith is now 32 years old and even coming out of college he only ran a 4.7 time in the 40 during the combine. Which I guess is a little faster than Fitzpatrick's 40 yard time of 4.8 coming out. But to say Smith is much faster than Fitzpatrick is false.

    And for all of this talk about Alex Smith's rushing/scrambling ability coming out of college - let's not forget that Fitzpatrick also rushed for 523 yards & 5 rushing TD's (2002), 430 rushing yards & 6 rushing TD's (2003) and 448 rushing yards and 5 rushing TD's (2004).

    Nonetheless I'd strongly disagree that Alex Smith is a far better scrambler than Fitzpatrick.
     
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    Damn right it's a different scenario. Smith's was a called play with blocking set up - Fitzpatrick's was a pure scramble. And he didn't take a sack, he took six points.
     
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    Watch that gif again. That's a broken play where Charles went the wrong way. Alex Smith is great at improvising. Better then Fitz. Fitz is taking a sack there.
     
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    Statistics are great, but they don't tell the entire story. Timing, and opportunity are big as well. Alex has won a lot of games using his legs, more then Fitz IMO. Fitz does take advantage, but I don't think he's nearly as elusive as Alex Smith. He's easily one of the best mobile QBs in the league the past 5 or so yrs.

    Maybe we will see a little competition come Sunday.
     
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    I agree it's a little more than stats

    Alex has a more speed, more elusiveness, and frankly is used to running more

    I think they have same average YPC because teams key on Smith to run, while Fitz is less likely to run and probably doesn't get the spy assignment much on defense.
     
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    You see, I don't agree with this assessment either.

    Fitzpatrick has played in 115 games and has ran 414 times compared to Smith who's played in 128 games and has ran 427 times.

    Not only do they have an identical yards per carry average of 4.6 yards per carry but their average amount of rushing attempts per game are also nearly identical with Fitzpatrick at 3.6 rushing attempts per game compared to Smith at 3.3 rushing attempts per game.

    It's more than just statistics. They have a very similar style of play including a nearly identical style of scramble. Very scrappy QB's.

    They also have an identical career average of both average yards per pass attempt and average yards per pass completion.

    I'd say that Fitzpatrick and Smith are two of the most comparable QB's throughout the league in terms of style of play although Smith has done a better job protecting the ball over the years while Fitzpatrick has done a better job avoiding the sack.
     
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    Regardless of Fitz and Alex Smith's comparisons, Darron Lee has the instinct and raw speed to close in and put him in the dirt.
     
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    Especially if they're without both of their starting RG & LG's, because behind our D-Line I can picture Lee shooting right through the gap.
     
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    I hear you brother


    But do you agree that Smith is faster/quicker/better pure runner?

    Not disagreeing just curious?
     
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    I don't think so. He goes right around Smith and puts a block on the LB. Fitzgerald makes the same play either way - called or improv.
     
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    Well they're about the same age (Fitz 33, Smith, 32) and coming out of college Smith ran a 4.7 40 compared to Fitzpatrick running a 4.86 40.

    But yea you could say that Smith is a little quicker but at the end of the day I don't see either of them having an advantage scrambling over one another.

    They just remind me of scrappy QB's who are both opportunistic when it comes to taking off and running with the ball. I don't imagine many defensive coordinators dedicating a QB spy to either of these QB's.

    Imo our defensive line should have no problem taking care of Alex Smith in that regard and if anything I'd rather have Darron Lee spy either Charles coming out of the backfield or focusing on their RB, Ware who leads their team in receiving along with putting Lee into coverage to help Pryor against Kelce.

    Lock up Maclin with Revis and utilize Lee/Pryor on Kelce and I can't picture K.C having too much success against our defense. I feel Lee can play an important role against their HB's catching out of the backfield as well as coverage help against Kelce who's a gifted TE.
     
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    Fitz and Smith are very similar. But we get Fitz for 12M and they're paying Smith 17.8M this year. Probs to Mac.
     
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    I atill get a laugh every time we probs :) probs for life !
     
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    A lot closer to the goal-line, less space to operate with the formation. Not as elusive as Alex Smith. Spread them out 5 WR, I think Fitz has more room to operate, but not that formation. Again, Fitz is good at what he does, but Alex Smith is far better.
     
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    Far better how? I know for certain Alex Smith isn't a better scrambler nor a better escape artist than Fitzpatrick in terms of escaping the sack.

    Fitzpatrick not only has more career rushing TD's than Smith but they both have an exact, identical average yards per run attempt.

    And Fitzpatrick also has a much better sack percentage against when compared to Smith. 5.5 sack % for Fitzpatrick compared to an 8.2 sack % for Smith.

    Many QB's can be considered as better QB's than Fitzpatrick but I don't see how anyone can consider Alex Smith as a better/more productive (scrambler) than Fitzpatrick.
     
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    Smith has won a lot more games using his scrambling ability. That doesn't have to be measured in the # of TDs, that's why I mentioned opportunistic. The guy won a playoff game because of his scrambling ability.

    Again, both take advantage of the opportunities, but Alex Smith does it far more effectively, and he doesn't hurt himself in the process. Smith is better in terms of that. There was a reason why he was taken #1 overall as FJF said before. Close to 500 rushing yards last season.

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    I have never seen Fitz do anything like that. Teams gameplan against Smith and his scrambling ability and he tends to do a lot of them on 3rd down. That's why on certain occasions, they will need to watch Smith
     
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