IMO his high school ranking is only relevant in telling the story of how he ended up a Jet in the 2nd round as a project QB. It helps set the table. Now he's a Jet and he should be judged on what he does while he's here. I don't expect any project pick to do much in year one and hope that next preseason he looks like a more polished product. By year three all kid gloves are off and if we don't have a real answer at QB he better be making a serious case for being the answer or he can go fuck himself and his high school ranking. Hopefully tonight is the last we see or hear from him until OTA's next summer.
You elevate the supporting cast, by managing the pocket. Knowing how to move within in the pocket and feel edge pressure. Pocket Movement... poise. The good Quarterbacks do that.
He had no reason to make excuses for CH, yet he was making excuse after excuse. He likes him as a prospect ,that's fine. But everyone else was being blamed for Hackenberg's failure, with the exception of the player himself. And , yes , Hackenberg had several streches during the year where he was incompetent and looked like he would be on his way becoming a day three pick. I dont have a "narrow " view of him... i was saying this before the draft and once again my opinion of a player will not change just because the team I root for selected him. I'm not rooting against him, but I'll continue to be a doubter unless he becomes a quality starter on the field.
dude he did elevate his supporting cast. Penn State had bottom of the barrel talent and they had a winning record every year of Hack's career. As harshly as they were hit with the sanctions they should've been in the Big Ten's, maybe even Div 1's dumpster every year. Going 7-5 with Hackenberg was pretty remarkable. His sophomore year he faces eventual National Champion Ohio State and their zillions of first round draft picks with a bunch of walk ons and takes it to double OT. That's not elevating his team?
I don't think there's anything wrong at all in stating that Hackenburg was the #1 overall HS recruit. It won't help him in the NFL & obviously is mostly trivial but it speaks well to a few different factors within his prospects & development. 1. Maturity- He stuck with his commitment despite multiple opportunities & reasonable precedent to transfer elsewhere..by elsewhere..pretty much anywhere he wanted in the country.He stayed & was the face of that program through a very treacherous time frame. You think Manish Mehta looking to stir up drama in the press room will phase him? I doubt it. The stage isn't too big for him, he knows how to be the face, & he knows how to be a leader. 2.Raw talent- While it's trivial...you don't become the #1 QB recruit based on intangible. He has legit elite physical tools.Size,movement,strength & arm.Not everything but surely not a bad thing 3.Intangibles- For all the talk about his faults..this guy managed to set multiple passing records at Penn Fricking state! Now maybe they haven't been Quarterback U..but they certainly aren't slouches either.He faced super conference competition in treacherous settings w/ frankly inferior offensive scheme & surrounding talent. That's very hard to do. Maybe it wasn't as pretty as many would like..but take any good QB historically who was the best player on an otherwise overmatched offensive college unit & this is what it looks like. Jay Cutler ring a bell? There are many others but he's the first 1 that comes to mind for a legit 1st round prospect people on here buried b/c they couldn't see past the results on the field at Vanderbilt to dissect the true prospect Cutler is. Would ya'll rather have another USC QB doing 7 step drops w/ all day to scan the field & 5 star weapons running wide open all over the field against Pac 12 D'S?Sorry. I'll take the supremely talented guy who carried his team through all sorts of adversity & shortcomings. That's toughness, That's making the best of reality. He has alot of things to work on...the good news is...the things he needs to work on all sort of relate to one another. When he learns better footwork, he'll have better pocket presence & better ball placement downfield. That's why I'm encouraged. While he has issues...the issues seemed linked to his footwork which is almost always a fix-able issue. All this accuracy talk is really out of hand Completion % is not a good barometer for ball placement.Too many different factors that explain an incomplete pass.The reason for Hack's ball placement issues is his footwork in all facets. Drop backs,Hitches & happy feet when the pocket collapses.He works on those things he'll be fine. He's not a pinpoint west coast passer. Stop trying to make him one. He's a big strong downfield fast baller. Anyone wanna try & tell me why that type of QB can't have success on the NFL level w/ the right pieces around them?
No, the team record does not necessarily show elevation of his supporting cast, IMO. There are several Quarterbacks in the NFL who elevate the talent of their supporting cast, but that does not show in terms of their teams win/lose record. Penn State had games where they managed to remain in the game, despite Hackenberg's poor play, and the Ohio State game that you mentioned was just one example. I won't be convinced on Hackenberg until he plays well as a starter, and I know others will share a different stance. But the interview that was linked by another poster earlier in the thread, inclucded excuse after excus ebeing made for Hackenberg Yes, the poor OL and coaching staff led to a decline in Hackenberg's poor play, but not once in that interview was Hackenberg held accountable for his underperfomring play.
What you're describing is the very essence of being a star QB in major market..be it college OR pro. Your play reflects the team & the teams play largely reflects the QB's play. There are often times a QB's struggles can be almost no fault of his own. But he's still the QB..and in PSU's case...the only real legit talent they had on offense WAS Hack. So the struggles that transpired no DOUBT were gonna fall on Hack. It's easy as a viewer to notice the happy feet, questionable decision & the errant throw.It's harder to notice, & accept that the LG getting beat inside, RB falling down in his route..the intended receiver being in the wrong spot. ALL those moving parts have to be in sync for a QB to have success. Sometimes it even works the opposite. QB actually makes wrong throw/Read/whatever but all the other parts work well & someone else steps up..and the QB is the one who gets all the credit. Forgive me. I'm having a tough time identifying a college QB draft prospect who was on a crumby team in a power 5 conference who elevated the play of his offense solely on his own merit. Frankly the one's who DO come to mind..others would perceive as NOT being great college players largely for the reasons posted above. It's harder in college to elevate players around you than it is in the pro's. The coaching isn't as good, the scheme isn't as multiple,surrounding talent is quite often feast or famine..and competition is rarely in the realm of parody as is the case in the NFL. More often than not you have mismatches which obviously effect a QB's ability to be successful in all facets
All this talk, we will get to see how he does against scrubs tonight and then we can take it from there.
Why are you guys wasting your time on the clueless troll? He has no idea what he's talking about. He's totally making shit up and talking out his ass. It's laughable.
The realities of the situation clearly appear beyond your reckoning. Either that or your POV is hopelessly clouded by bias thereby making you immune to the obvious facts, logic and limitations that govern such circumstances.
Mariota was actually class of 2011 coming out of Hawaii. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with these rankings. Obviously there's a ton of busts who never make it after all the HS accolades.
Agree. At this point HS or College are immaterial. Many. many QBs broke records, won trophies, led the league, where rated at the top of the heap hop, draft parade and they sucked in the pros. Is a matter of probabilities. Now all we can hang our hat on is how well is this young kid developing and does he have what it takes to make it at this level. The past is the past. there is a new measuring stick now
Hack being a top high school recruit means nothing. Remember our camp body QB last year, Jake Heaps? He was the number one high school QB in his class.
It doesn't really seem like he's trolling, it seems like he's playing devil's advocate more than anything. As far as Hackenberg is concerned though, NSN summed it up pretty well. If he's not at least ready to be the backup with a possibility of competing for the starting job next year, then we can start complaining. Nothing he's done in college is really relevant anymore, but it's brought up because it's the basis we have to go on for his performance or lack thereof as of now. He struggled in college with some of the worst surrounding talent around him, on top of a completely new offense and being a true sophomore under all these shitty circumstances. NFL teams thought a lot of his mental game though, which is why we took him in the second round. Him having his head right in terms of X's and O's puts him a lot further a long than most quarterbacks coming out, especially considering all of the one read spread offenses that are all over college football. The problem with him, as others have noted is his inconsistent accuracy throughout a drive and in particular his bad accuracy on short throws. That SHOULD come with time, and it seems like more of a touch issue than it is a true accuracy issue because his ball placement on intermediate to deep throws seems to be pretty good. Then again, he could never refine his poor touch on short to short-ish intermediate throws and we tossed away a draft picks. To me it seems like his quarterback clock is a little bit messed up due to getting hit so much behind a swiss cheese offensive line, which worries me as it's not really something that can often be learned in today's NFL. Time will tell. It's great that he has little pressure on him this year, but the pressure will be on starting next offseason if we don't see some serious progression. As I said though, the fact that he's a smart X's and O's player gives him a huge leg up on rookie quarterbacks and NFL defenses. He showed the ability in his first game action to go through multiple reads and scan the whole field in his progression. It's rare to see that in young quarterbacks as coordinators tend to try to dumb down the offense for them, like we did with Sanchez in even his 3rd and 4th year.
i think its simple. the guy has size, a good arm, and knows is comfortable in a pro offense. his accuracy and consistency simply have not been there. we can have our concerns or excuse it away due to the environment in college. but his pro career will be based on whether his accuracy in college was fluky due to circumstance or a real issue. typically, accuracy isnt something excused away only due to external factors and quality of teammates. in a small sample in TC and preseason, he has struggle with accuracy... but that is still a small sample. in todays nfl, the #1 thing you need from a qb is accuracy. the run game is going away. you need to be able to hit 63-68% on short first down passes, and be in the mid 60's overall or you wont last long
lol, I'm not a "troll", I'm just not going to shrill or be an optimist for the sake of being an optimist. I watched nearly most of his sophmore year last summer and watched several of his games last season... I pay attention to what quality quarterbacks do and the different ways they succeed. And nearly everyone everyone has been biased one way or another in this thread. You've been biased towards Hackenberg , posting an interview of an evaluator who would not hold Hackenberg for his own poor play. And I've been against him, citing his poor college play in general. I didn't see Hackenberg sustain or do any of that NCJETSfan is the poster, who told me, I couldn't dislike the Hackenberg pick, because the FO possess more information than me. And if you'd click the link on my sig, you'd clearly see that I am not a Geno fan. You'll also see that I give equal treatment to every quarterback on the roster. I'm not going to excuse for playing like garbage, because he's our new shiny quarterback.
