Hackenberg

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  1. IDFjet

    IDFjet Well-Known Member

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    It's lynch and a different pick in the 2nd round. Not just lynch.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

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    I saw only a handful of throws from Lynch, the first TD pass off the run was pretty nice, moved the chains, and showed the ability to avoid tackles. Does that mean he is ready to start? No. Trevor Siemian, from what I heard wasn't all that bad even though he didn't score. Has Lynch even gotten first team reps yet?
     
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    Jets needed linebacker help also, who was available in that 2nd round that was just as good if not better then Lee? Then we got Jenkins in the 3rd round.
     
  4. I was a big Lynch supporter..but I also liked Hack..and realized that Hack was likely the better fit for NY on & off the field.

    Lynch really went to the perfect team. The reason why so many teams were skeptical of Lynch is b/c they questioned his ability to stay in the pocket, scan the field & make every throw from 5/7 foot drops. He's best w/ a sliding pocket or designed pass plays that get him on the move. A team like the Jets would've been drafting Lynch w/ the knowledge that if he started for them...they'd likely need to alter the entire scheme to fit Lynch's game.


    Denver doesn't need to make any adjustment at all w/ Lynch in their offense. He can already do all the footwork they ask of their QBs & make all the throws. The Elway-esque wow factor on the bootlegs at 6'7 is just the bonus.

    Truthfully, he could really stand to sit for the majority of a season. He seems alittle immature for one. His throwing mechanics could use some touch, & while he's a fit..Denver's offense is not an easy one to have down after only 1 offseason from college. His hype is more a discredit to Sanchez than any accomplishment for Paxton,If he starts...he'll definitely flash..but defenses athletic & disciplined enough to make him hold the ball on longer drops will make for a hefty number of mistakes early on.
     
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  5. No Fly Zone

    No Fly Zone Well-Known Member

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    That fact is meaningless, they signed Osweiler as their starter and jumped up to get a starting Center to pair with Osweiler. There was no reason for O'Brien to consider taking him in round 2.

    The concern I had was taking Hack so early in the draft especially when there were rumors that they'd use a 4th round pick to get Dak Prescott. It remains to be seen whether they made the right choice in opting for Hack in round 2 over Dak in round 4 but you cannot equate O'Brien passing on him as a judgement on his ability or potential.
     
  6. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    Well, if your #1 QB goes down, and your #2 QB is getting booed, killed, etc, then every fan on the planet would be demanding QB #3 be given a shot. Even if your #3 is Geno Smith. That's how it works.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

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    You totally missed the point. If Geno was the #3 and got no reps there's no way he'd be ready or able to play at any kind of decent level. That scenario just wouldn't work and no one would ever do it imo. If Geno's not good enough to be the backup, there's no point in keeping him, because at that point his experience starting games is meaningless, and without practice reps, there's no chance he'd play well. If Fitz goes down for the season and Geno's not a capable backup, the Jets might as well hand the ball to Petty and see what he can do, because at that point the season's more than likely over in terms of making the playoffs. The best thing you could do under that circumstance would be to get Petty some starting experience if he was anywhere near being ready to play. If not, the Jets would need to sign a vet QB off the street.
     
  8. Footballgod214

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    I hear ya, but there's just no way BOTH Petty and Geno will get the 2nd team reps to be 'ready' to go in. Many on here have said Geno hasn't progressed much even WITH the 2nd team reps, so burying Geno down the depth chart may not be so bad.

    In any case NO 3rd QB will be ready to go. But if Fitz gets hurt, Petty steps in as starter for 2-3 games (and gets killed), Geno will be back up to speed with the game plans etc for games 4-5-6 etc. So while Petty's getting killed, Geno can get ready.

    But burying Geno as #3 would let Mac keep him on the roster AND promote Petty to #2. If Fitz goes down, maybe Petty comes in and does great. But if not, there's always Geno getting ready to take over for Petty.
     
  9. NCJetsfan

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    I just don't see it happening. If Petty beats Geno out for the #2 spot, imo there's no sound reason to keep Geno and lose a promising young player at another position. Geno isn't under contract for next season, so it would make sense to just go ahead and cut bait with him now and gain a little cap breathing room that they could possibly use to sign or help sign a veteran OL camp cut.
     
  10. Footballgod214

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    There's two reasons to put Petty #2. Back up Fitz (something Geno may be better prepared to do) but also prepare Petty for taking over next year.

    Mac may LOVE the idea of putting Petty #2 to get him ready for next year, but doesn't dare just in case Fitz goes down. That's why you keep Geno #3.

    Like you say, will probably never happen and I agree, but it would kill 2 birds with one QB shuffle.
     
  11. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    Clearly they thought much higher of hackenberg than most people. They might be wrong only time will tell.
     
  12. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    The rams drafted a project with the 1st overall pick and goff looks like shit so far. No1 says anything but jets get bashed for taking hackenberg in the 2nd round.
     
  13. Walt White

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    Funny how a couple of people are bashing and laughing at some posters for backing Hack, yet they're declaring it was a bad pick like they know. :rolleyes:

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  14. BigSnacks54

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    No one knows for sure, but he's probably going to be a bad pick tbh. Rarely do you see QBS that played as poorly as Hackenberg in college beocme competent NFL quarterbacks.
     
  15. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    You telling me that the pick " tbh is probably a bad pick" means nothing to me. Thanks for the honesty tho. It's easy for you to say, you can say that about the majority of QB's ever picked. Right now it means as much as anybody's else's opinion on here, even if somebody made a declaration that he will be a franchise QB.

    The NFL landscape is strewn with the corpses of college QB's that played well, and were high draft picks as well. So what you see from afar with no insight into the player or the work that the team's scouting dep't put into it doesn't mean anything. Do you really think that the FO would or should have such a simplistic view of how they should approach the thing, and that the reason you give is enough to make the declaration it was a bad pick?

    You tell me now what QB that was taken behind him that will be better in 5 years. Tell me who was picked before him will be better while you're at it. Never mind with the trying to hit the lottery throwing a dart at a late pick and slogging along in futility in the meantime with out a fucking QB. Not interested
     
  16. Ralebird

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    And in a very similar situation, Smith is released and goes and sits on his couch while an up and coming wide receiver fills that roster spot. The Jets keep Smith's phone number handy just in case a backup is actually needed and Petty is not cutting it on Sundays. Sure, there may be a chance that Smith gets a job elsewhere, but that's the price you pay for opening a roster spot. I'll take that bet.
     
  17. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Hackenberg is the only drafted rookie QB not to see the field in preseason. The only. Kansas City and San Francisco both have 5, yes 5 QBs on their rosters and they both have still found time to play their rookies (Hogan & Driskel). The Jaguars and Dolphins also have 4 QBs and have played their rookies
     
  18. JetsNation06

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    Hackenberg has a football IQ that knows no bounds. All he needs to work on is his accuracy, touch, pocket presence, footwork and a few more things. However he's got an IQ that not even Einstein could fathom. The great QB's like Hack rarely need a track record of success in college, that's irrelevant. His football "smarts" are off the chart and every other part of being an NFL QB can be taught.
     
  19. NCJetsfan

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    So? Each team has a different situation. It's an apples and oranges situation. Hasn't Kaepernick been hurt? That made it easier for SF to play all of their QBs.

    We know that Hack needs to overhaul his mechanics. Getting a bunch of reps and playing in several preseason games isn't going to help him or to help the Jets evaluate him. They know what he needs to work on. Conversely, they needed to find out about Petty and decide whether to keep 4 QBs. Those other teams with 4-5 QBs probably knew that they were only going to keep 2-3 QBs and the rest were just camp fodder.
     
  20. Don

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    He will probably play some in the 4th pre-season game when all the regulars sit out and just before going to the practice squad.
     

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