If all you have to base an opinion of a player on is one quarter of one game , then its really not even worth explaining my opinions to you. How you watch Geno and then watch Fitz and somehow come to the conclusion that Geno would be the same or a better option , is something that I cant imagine thinking. But Im sure you are more of a Geno fan than a Jets fan so I guess it makes sense. Wherever he goes you'll just follow him there. I cheer for the team and Im realistic as to which players are the best for that team. If I wanted to cheer for a player over a team Id go watch the NBA.
Ok fair enough. How does he make up for all the times he choked over his career? Why is that a 11 year vet who never been to the playoffs gives the Jets best chance to get in playoffs?
You make it sound like Im saying I want Fitz at all costs and no matter what. If you're telling me the Jets will trade for Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers tomorrow and one of those guys is our starter this year then the hell with Fitz. But obviously those arent the options. You're bias toward Geno. So anything I say about Fitz isnt going to change your mind on who you want to start Week 1. If you could give me another reason other than "Geno never played with talent" then maybe I could see your side of it. Cause I remember him playing with Decker and not using him properly until the meaningless last game of the season against a half-trying Dolphins teams. He also had Ivory , Powell and basically every other player Fitz had except Marshall. How about we resign Fitz , let him play the first 15 games and bring in Mr. Perfection for Week 17 since thats the only game he would show up in. That way nobody would "choke".
I never said let Geno start week 1. I have always said even if they sign Fitz they should let all 4 QB's battle it out and let the best one start week 1. I just think it ridiculous that you judge QB after 2 years who was thrown in the fire and wasn't ready. But people want praise a 11 year vet who hasn't done shit in this league. I'm sorry we don't know what Geno can really do and all you so you think football gurus think you can tell after 2 years knows nothing about football. What the first thing you do when you get a young QB? You go out and get him help to surround him with.
Geno vs. the Bills: 8 pass attempts 2 completions (to Jet receivers) 3 completions (to Bills defenders) total passing yardage: 5 yds. (as in 15 feet) QB rating: O http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...erally-bummed-out-when-jets-pulled-geno-smith Bills were literally 'bummed out' when Jets pulled Geno Smith By John Breech | CBSSports.com October 28, 2014 5:59 pm ET "We were bummed out when they took Geno out," a member of the organization told the Post. Why was Buffalo bummed out? Bills linebacker Preston Brown can explain. "He was just eyeing down receivers," Brown said. "We saw it on film that he was just staring guys down. When we know if you do that we're going to jump on guys' routes, and we got some picks in the back end with just reading his eyes." Brown was one of four Bills' players who picked off a pass in the game. "We had Geno rattled and we tried to stay after him," Brown said.
I guess you can say Buffalo had Fitz rattle in the 4th quarter. Again we talking about a 2 year pro at the times to a 10 year pro.
11 year pro and hasnt done shit..thats the logic I find mindboggling and its something that shouldn't even be thought of. A QB doesnt have an 11 year career by accident. And they did get Geno help. They got him Decker , they got him Ivory. I guess that isnt enough help then?
Its not the point whether he was a legit number 1 or not. He is a borderline 1 and an above average 2. The fact is he was an upgrade over what they had in 2013 in Holmes, Hill, etc and Geno didnt use him properly because he failed to develop the chemistry that Fitz developed with him. Why? Because he's a pro. He knows that he isnt the most talented guy so he puts in the work necessary to be better. Something Geno has never done because he's probably always been the best. Until he got to the NFL. To trust any of our current QB's with this offense would be a very foolish move by the front office and its something that will put all of them on the hot seat.
Again you're comparing a 11 year vet to a 3 year player. Bottom line for me I don't give a shit who the QB is as long as we are winning. I think some on here would rather see Geno crush so they can say they was right. Not me I'm all about winning. I would just like to see the Jets win a SB before I die. I have seen all my other favorite teams in other sports win titles pro and college.
It all comes down to this....I think we all know what Fitz can give us for the most part Some of us believe that it is and will never be good enough so we'd rather see what a hopefully improved version of Geno (or even Petty) could look like on this team....some people would rather hope for the best with a safe and steady option in Fitz There is no doubt that going with a Geno and Petty battle is much riskier (but really what would we be losing out on?) .....I would argue that it could pay off big now and in the future if someone emerges as a good QB None of us know what the right move is here....but it's obviously in the best interest of the team going forward for one of the young guys to step up
Do you think Geno Smith will have an 11 year career as an NFL QB? Either as a starter or backup? Cause if your answer is no then the comparison doesnt make a difference because it proves that Geno will never improve. QB's with more skills than him have gotten less of a chance at this level. Right now, Fitz is better. 99 percent of NFL fans would agree with that statement. If your argument is you rather have Geno at his salary compared to what Fitz is asking for , then atleast that is a point I could see. I wouldnt agree with it but Id see that side of it. But all you're saying is Fitz isnt good , which makes me think you wouldn't want him back at any price. And thats nuts IMO.
What would we be losing out on? A year of Marshall, Revis, Mangold, Harris, Decker and Forte still at fairly high levels..basically being wasted. And possibly the last season of Mo, Sheldon and Leonard all on the same dline. Sounds like a lot to me. There will be no QB competition either. Petty is not ready to be an NFL QB. The team knows it. Its basically Fitz or Geno at this point unless we were to trade for a potential stopgap. So for all the people that dont want Fitz , you'll most likely be seeing Geno to start the season. And barring injury or another smack to the mouth , he'll be the guy until he inevitably gets pulled halfway through the year when we're sitting at 2-6. Call me crazy but that doesnt sound like a fun 2016.
Yes I do think he will have 11 year career. I also think if the Jets cut him he will be picked up quick. My whole thing is one Fitz isn't worth the money he asking or what the Jets offer him. He not only can't be trusted when it money time (as I call it when the game on the line) you can't trust him to be even smart enough to protect himself.
This is all assuming that Geno hasn't improved much, if it all which you just don't know....You might think you do but you don't. I don't know if he will be or look alot better as a 4th year player in a much better situation but I don't mind rolling the dice The fact that no team even wanted anything to do with free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick in a league where you need a QB would atleast tell me that teams around the league view him like I do.....A borderline starter/backup caliber QB who isn't getting you anywhere. He has some great qualities and I respect him as a player but he makes some terrible decisions for being a Harvard guy...never sliding and throwing balls in coverage way too much. He also has a terrible arm and we are so handicapped if we ever get behind in the game because of this. If any solid starting QB was on the market, teams would jump all over it but he's just not very good and he isn't even mediocre as a starter, he's below average If Geno was as bad at this point in his career as some of you say, he wouldn't even be on the team as a backup....Bowles and Mac could have easily gotten rid of him by now but they obviously see some progress behind the scenes. The starting job is there for him again so he better be working his ass off, and this should have been going on last season as well
Wouldn't it be a fair assumption to say that if he has improved , he didnt improve to the level of what Fitz was last season? He has all the ability. But none of the confidence or smarts to be an NFL QB. Teams didnt want Fitz at his price tag. They also didnt want Sam Bradford at his price tag either though. Plus lots of teams already have their QB situation for this year the way they want it. And they know that Fitz fits better with Gailey than under any other OC's system. Plus the only reason Geno is still here is because we currently have the worst QB situation in the league..and he doesnt make much $$. As bad as he is, cutting him wouldn't make much sense at this point.
Again the "smarts" can be taught somewhat as long as the QB puts in the work....Geno may have needed a year on the sideline as he naturally matures...who knows? The confidence can come as well Plenty of teams that needed a QB would have been fine paying a solid or mediocre starter 15 mil a year but Fitz isn't that.....Bradford got some outrageous money and he's barely mediocre himself I don't even think Fitz played that well last season overall....so I don't think it's that crazy if Geno were to do just as well overall if he has been working hard. You might be right that Geno won't ever give us even mediocre-below average QB play but I really don't mind finding out because losing Fitz is just whatever to me We had an amazingly favorable schedule with 2 great WRs....a solid running game and of course our defense was awesome overall...I can name more losses because of Fitz vs wins because of him last season....he was mainly along for the ride IMO
The running game fell apart in the second half of the season and especially in games we truly could've used it. Ivory was basically a non factor for much of the season after we overused him the first 9 weeks of the season and continued to feed him the ball in the blowout vs. The Dolphins. The running game was solid and then disappeared. Powell provided a spark and as soon as the offense was clicking with him he didn't play against Buffalo. You're not 'mainly along for the ride' when you're center piece for the entire offense for a crucial 5 game winning streak that almost propelled us into the playoffs. You just can't have it both ways. Say whatever you'd like about a weak schedule, good receivers and all that jargon. But you can't blame him for all the losses yet credit him with none of the wins. This wasn't a Mark Sanchez in 09' situation. The dude threw for nearly 4,000 yards and 31 touchdown passes in 15 games.
