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  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    The defense is too good for us to tank properly.
     
  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you're right about that. Even if we let all the youngsters start and play (Lee, Jenkins, Williams or Burris and Deon Simon), it would still probably be too good. Maybe it would work if we started Milliner and McDougle at CB. ;)
     
  3. Geno007

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    Couldn't you say the same about Fitz? Until he played with this talented offense?
     
  4. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Fitz was a top 25 QB for 6 straight years on teams with little talent before he played here.
     
  5. Ralebird

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    Where does the bolded part come from? Have we all missed a recent quote from anybody in the organization that actually offers anything more than just mumbled acceptance? How much less would anyone expect? They certainly have no benefit in coming out with "he's not meeting our needs."
     
  6. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    nope, I had seen Fitz play well with Gailey previously, and play well with Houston most recently.
    and that's without good talent.
    was very happy when we traded for him last year.

    so it comes down to what we've seen (Geno) vs what we have not seen (Petty, Hack)..
    I'd rather the upside in Petty and Hack for the backup spots, with Fitz as the veteran starter.
    Geno offers nothing to the equation imo.
     
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  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    actual
    actually for us, 2.1 million. still leaving us 1.7 million in wiggle room. Not enough to sign fitz unless we really backload the deal (or push into next year when we have money) but we still could get relief if we cut breno, sign wilk long term, or restructure some deals.

    Source: http://overthecap.com/rookie-contracts-nfl-draft/
     
  8. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    yup. worst case is a 5-6 win season putting us in the 8-11 range if last year is anything to go buy.
    Hell when we only won 4 games, we picked 6. You have to really tank hard to get a top 3 pick
     
  9. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    if this team follows a 10-6 season with a 4-12ish season, the pitch forks will be out for yet another regime change
     
  10. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    Barring a rash of injuries to key players this team will not finish 4-12.
     
  11. GasedAndConfused

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    people who bring out pitchforks over a bad year, are the reason we never have longevity. you need to give a coach 5 years to build his team. Teams that do well consistently keep their staff together. Pitt, NYG, NE are a few examples. Sure pitt and NYG have had some rough years but they also got some rings out of it. changing your staff every 2-3 years is the worst way to build a franchise.
     
  12. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    i agree, but that won't stop the angry mob. watch what happens if the jets don't make the playoff this year.
     
  13. HomeoftheJets

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    Correlation is not causation. I can just as easily argue that winning franchises keep their coaches because the coaches are winning rather than the other way around.
     
  14. Geno007

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    Really? Top 25 out of 32 teams? How was he his first 2 years he started?
     
  15. SOJAZ

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    wow top 25 out of what 32 ?

    well he was a backup last year for how many games? And, for posters to make the assumption that he is already 3rd string is essentially preposterous. There are no indications that signing Hack means Petty is or can not be a starting QB, just saying.
     
  16. GasedAndConfused

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    Nothing. we keep the staff and keep building the team through the draft. we'll also have some money to spend next offseason unlike this one as well
     
  17. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    there may be no change, but there will be plenty of grumbling, bowles on the hot seat and maybe a billboard or 2 going in to 2018,if not, a slow start in 2018 will surely bring them out. this whole " its ok if we tank" sounds great in theory but it just won't work in reality.although the next coach will appreciate it
     
  18. HomeoftheJets

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    I'd take top 25 over mid 30s where Geno ranked (yes, it's possible to rank below 32 because there are teams that play more than one QB over the course of a season). Of course, Fitz was just as bad his first two years but most QBs that bad don't end up mediocre like Fitz, they hang around as backups who never see the field or just wash out of the league. Maybe Geno can be an exception to the general rule, which is why I would consider going with 4 QBs rather than cutting him if Fitz re-signs. But I'm not going to bank on it.
     
  19. GasedAndConfused

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    the giants for example. coughlin was there for 12 years. he made the playoffs 5 times. only had 4 10 win seasons. His 1st 3 years he didn't win a playoff game. for us, that would have meant new regime, but his 4th year he won the SB. after that he made the playoffs once in the next 3 years then in the 8th year won another SB. then 4 years again of not making the playoffs now he is retired.

    If the giants gave up on him after the 3rd year of no playoff wins like we've done with guys like rex, herm, mangini, etc they probably wouldn't have got a SB let along 2 of them. They gave him 4 years straight of no playoffs before he was forced to retire. We have to give bowles at least 3 more years regardless of what we get form those years before thinking about giving up.

    Edwards got 4 years and made the playoffs 3 times, Mangini had 3 years and made the playoffs once, ryan had 6 years and made the playoffs twice. between the 3 of them that's 13 years with 6 playoff appearances. Coughlin had 12 years and 5 playoffs. pretty similar success for the seasons.
     
  20. The 1985er

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    Fitzpatrick has never played on a team with "little talent" especially on the offensive side of the ball.
     

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