i dont get why you trust fitz after he was among the league leaders in ints, among the bottom of the league im completion percentage, didnt come through in the clutch in our biggest game and couldnt get us to the playoffs inspite of a pretty weak schedule.
no one is basing it on the last game of the season. fitz was subpar all season long. it cyertainly wasnt the bills game. he was bad in a loss to philly.. a close game we win with decent qb play. he was horrible in the loss to houston, another 1 score game we lost. he was awful in the first bills game, a 5 point game where we had a chance to score at the end and couldnt put it in the endzone after we got that blocked punt. this isnt cherry picking one game. we had several games where if we get ANYTHING decent at qb we win and we make the playoffs. he didnt have a good year. below average or bottom 5 in every stat outside of touchdown passes. i dont know what team or what qb people were watching where there is all this fitz love. the guy was a subpar qb last season. i realize he is 10000 times better then geno, but that shouldnt be the measuring stick
pe it doesnt take much to do what he did.... most starting level NFL qbs can put up bottom 10 numbers with stud wideouts and a decent running game and a solid OC vs. a weak schedule.
I know what you meant but we need a mentor who can also start . None of our guys are ready for that .
i disagree we need a mentor who can start. geno sucks but he can start. petty is 25 im fine throwing him to the wolves. next year is a rebuilding/bridge year no matter how much it hurts to admit. we likely take a step back regardless of who is at qb. this isnt a playoff team. schedule is rough(talking travel and short weeks not opponents) im fine with moving on to seeing who can and cant get it done among our young qbs
Yes Geno can start but we aren't contending for a layoff spot with his bonehead mental mistakes . We are built to make a run now and Fitz , with the knowledge of the system and his connection with the players , gives us the best chance . I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one
Every time this thread reaches the top of the forum, I click it because I'm nervous that Mac panicked and signed this overpaid backup. If Mac does sign him, I'd want the contract to be for one-year and something reasonable (5M or less). But I'm really hoping that Mac skips on Foles. Please make it so, football gods.
we probably arent competing for a playoff spit with anyone. i disagree we are built to make a run now. yes our best players are older, but we arent a great football team. we have major issues and no depth on the offensive line. we dont have a great pass rush. outside of revis there are some questions in the secondary. we might start 2 rookies at linebacker which has its growing pains. id say our ove/under for wins is like 7.5 were maybe if things go right we finish 9-7. our schedule is brutal with tons of primetime games and crazy short weaks and awful coast to coast travel. it also doesnt look good on paper with who we play, although thats tough to predict year to year. last year we had a cupcake schedule, minimal injuries, everything went well and we couldnt make it. its hard to see all that happening again and even if it did we probably fall short
If they get Foles and Fitz, then what about the 3 QBs we have not the roster now - Hack, Petty and Geno? I don't think they're ready to give up on Hack or Petty, so you would carry 4 QBs on the roster? They only need one veteran QB (and if they think Hack could start at some point this year, maybe none).
I dunno, Foles did have that really good season. Geno had a couple bottom of the league level years, Foles almost broke some records but got injured that year and then ended up on the Rams with Shotty. I'd rather have Foles over Geno easily.
I think he would say that either way to satisfy the fan base. If he didn't say that, Fitz doesn't come back and the next QB stinks - he'd have the fan base screaming for his head. Now the story would be that Fitz wasn't being reasonable and was demanding a ridiculous amount of money that no sane GM would give him, so its understandable that they chose to go with Geno. I think they don't want Fitz to sign right now. They want to see Hack at the OTAs and make a determination whether they're willing to start him. Initially, the Jets said he'll sit a year, but then some other comments (or not answering questions) suggest that he could start at some point during his first year. He has experience in a pro-system, so if his mechanics are fixed you could decide to start him. If the Jets decide they're willing to start Hack after OTAs and take their lumps with a rookie QB, then not having Fitz signed means they can save a lot of money by not signing him. That's also true if they decide they could start Hack mid-way through the season. They'd have to be comfortable with Geno and Petty backing him up, of course, and potentially starting the first few games.
I stated this in a later post but under this circumstance they could trade Petty or try to put him through waivers to put him on the practice squad. But also like I said before it's not likely. The 3 QBs we have on the roster now will be the guys. Unless Fitz resigns then IMO Geno will be cut.
It's easy to dismiss him based on weaknesses alone while ignoring all the positives. I'd say his leadership and chemistry with the WRs, along with his ability to run well and avoid sacks makes him better than Geno alone. He's got better awareness and IQ, while Geno is faster and has a stronger arm. I'm not saying he's great or a long term solution, but it's tough to take a hit like that when the team has such high respect for him. Plus you are wrong about him not beating winning teams. The Jets beat the Patriots and Redskins last season, both had winning records. And Geno would have? Sorry but based on his play in the Raiders game, I very much doubt we finish better than .500 with Geno at the helm. He still doesn't even comprehend the idea of throwing the ball away to stop the clock and keep the field position instead of running out of bounds for a loss and almost getting sacked in the process. Geno and Sanchez both had the same issue with that. They would never just throw the ball away, they'd always try to be the hero and force a tough pass that often results in a turnover.
If fitz plays for the jets he's likely going to regress toward the mean this year. You don't want him. It would be ugly.
Here what I don't get? If Fitz has such a high IQ then why does he keep making the same mistakes in crunch time?
Because football IQ and reacting under pressure to a 300 lb guy in your face aren't necessarily linked? Adrenaline is a funny thing, it does different things to different people. If you get a DL in Brady's face too early in the process he does some very silly things too. The David Harris pick in the playoffs was just a perfect example of this scenario in play. Ok, back to the main question. Why is Ryan Fitzpatrick making many more mistakes than Tom Brady under pressure? First of all, he doesn't have Brady's quick release. Therefore he gets in pressure situations that Brady would never see because the ball was already gone when the pressure might have occurred. Secondly, he doesn't run the exact same system every season that is optimized to get the ball out quicker to take advantage of the quick release. Brady has run the exact same system since Randy Moss left. He ran something very close to it when Moss was there. Thirdly, he doesn't read the field as well as Brady does and split seconds can make a big difference in that regard. Because of this the Jets don't ask him to make the same reads that Brady does. He's only looking at half the field most of the time, whereas Brady is looking at the whole thing a fair percentage of the time. Finally, he doesn't have Brady's good arm so he can't fit the ball in narrow windows reliably the way Brady can. Under pressure Ryan Fitzpatrick's options are to throw risky passes to fewer options or to tuck the ball and run. The Jets are usually better off when he does the latter. Under pressure some other people do things like run out of bounds with the ball and retreat under the pressure to make a sack worse and throw risky passes, etc. Fortunately Fitzpatrick doesn't do things that make the situation a lot worse under pressure. He just can't fix things the way a better QB might be able to do under those circumstances. If you really want a pressure QB then you can't beat Roethlisberger and Rodgers. Both of those guys have held up under extraordinary pressure year after year because their o-lines have been somewhat subpar and they're willing to take a hit and they have really good arms.
