Mayock gives Carson Wentz the kiss of death

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  1. BleedGreen4ever

    BleedGreen4ever Active Member

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    I'm sorry but I feel Goff is the superior talent and is a much safer pick. Cleveland would be making a big mistake taking Wentz over Goff in my mind. What exactly has Wentz proven besides height weight and a strong arm. He played against terrible competition, not to mention he barely even played last year because he broke his wrist, and is not even close to being prepared for the NFL. There is going to be a major adjustment, I mean monumental adjustment in level of competition that he is not ready for. If you select him at #2 you basically have to start him day one, I don't see the value there. Goff is much more prepared for the pros and has a great mental prowess, and he is cerebral at the QB position. That's what you need from the QB position not someone who just looks the part. Maybe Wentz has a future in the NFL but he needs seasoning, and should go somewhere where he can sit and learn and adjust to the level of competition.
     
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    joe Well-Known Member

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    Goff's the only one who's 1st round worthy imo. Too bad he's not dropping to #20.
     
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    I couldn't possibly disagree more. Goff is more NFL ready, but doesn't have 1/3, and maybe 1/2 the arm talent Wentz has. Hardly played? He started the first six games then broke his wrist and then played in the championship game. He missed maybe half the games. You don't draft players for one season. You draft them for the long haul. Goff has probably little if any upside or ceiling. Wentz still has plenty of ceiling. Goff is smart and accurate, but I don't think has the arm to succeed in getting to, much less winning a SB. Wentz has the talent where he can make a team a playoff team every season, and he has the talent to win a SB.

    I think it's utter BS that he HAS to start day one. That's just nonsense. If anyone takes him and starts him day one (unless he shows he's ready) they're a moron. You give him time to adjust to the speed, let him learn the offense. Then when he's ready you hand him the job, and chances are your team is in the playoffs the next 10 years.
     
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  4. BleedGreen4ever

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    Wentz is far from the type of prospect that will get your team to the playoffs for the next ten years just because you took him. I'd say that's a stretch, a very very big stretch. He is not a prospect like Andrew Luck, or even Winston and its silly to put him in that grouping. Does he have potential, yeah but its going to be a process, and it could be ugly if he gets thrown in the fire early.

    When was the last time a top pick didn't start day one? This is a new era and rookies chosen that high are expected to start and be effective, if he's not starting its bad for the organization.
     
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    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Well, we obviously disagree. We'll see who's right.

    Why is it bad for the organization if a rookie QB doesn't start day one? Because some dumb fans say so? Because media idiots say so? If GMs and HCs in the NFL don't have any more common sense than that, they ought to just shut the whole dman mess down now. Taking a QB that you know needs time to adjust to the speed of the NFL and the different level of competition, and throwing him to the wolves is sheer idiocy and borderline insanity. To not start him doesn't mean he doesn't have talent, just that he needs some time to learn, adjust and develop. I know there's pressure for all 1st round picks at any position to start from day one, but there shouldn't be. QB is the most important position in the game. There aren't enough good QBs to go around. When a prospect with a lot of talent comes along but he isn't ready to play immediately, if you need a QB you take him before someone else can, then you give him whatever time he needs to develop, you don't throw him to the wolves or you don't pass him by simply because he needs some time to develop.
     
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    We agree for once
     
  7. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how good Wentz is but he has a bazooka
     
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    Wow. This surprises me. So much for that Goff noodle arm..

     
  9. joe

    joe Well-Known Member

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    As far as having an arm goes, anyone catch the QBs throwing deep outs at the combine? (lame word play intended)

    Goff did just fine.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    I did Joe, and Lynch looked terrible, Wentz did amazing
     
  11. joe

    joe Well-Known Member

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    Spot on Matt. Lynch was dissapointing (and Hackenberg was chopped liver as well).
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Hackenberg should have stayed at Penn State, Joe, he's nowhere near ready
     

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