yeah but the 54% snaps for Harrison this year is the anomaly. He hasn't always gotten that few right? Plus as others have indicated- I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. It means he did his job damn good. Also, while he might not be as good in the passing game as Wilfork he is definitely the better player in the running game. Wilfork just takes up space and pushes the middle. Harrison is quicker laterally and can get a runner from behind inside the tackles. The Jets defense this year was historically good at stopping the run. Midseason they went 9 games in a row without giving up a rushing TD. They gave up 4 all year and 2 of them were by QBs. And teams were always in 3rd down and long on us. That helps in defending the pass whether Harrison is on the field for that play or not. Look I don't think you or I know anything about just how good Harrison is. You'd have to watch him on film specifically closely to determine. But I see both sides of the argument myself. I'm not going to be pissed which decision they make if it comes down to Harrison v. Wilkerson because I believe its a tough call either way.
If Snacks showed the ability to rush the passer, I would be in favor of keeping Snacks too, but this is not the case. I applaud Snacks for stopping the run, he's one of the best in the league, that's what his job entails. Bowles said, he would give Snacks more chances at rushing the passer on 3rd down, but it appears Snacks didn't take full advantage of this. Think of how dominant the defense would truly be with a NT that can completely collapse the pocket and cause chaos on all 3 downs? Him playing 54% of the snaps IMO is working against him more-so then working for him. A player like that shouldn't be making 7M a season. Being the best in the league at stopping the run, won't win us a SB in a passing league. On 3rd down, Snacks is nothing more than a waste of space [when he's actually in on 3rd down]. I like sticking Wilk and Sheldon in as DTs and have them rush the passer with Leonard Williams rushing it on the right side and a speed rusher on the left. The beauty of this is you can create mismatches, you can put Wilk on the outside, Leonard on the inside. I look at it this way, I think we lose more without Wilk then without Snacks. 7M on the bench on 3rd downs, not a good way to spend cash. I would rather find a way to increase the pass rush productivity, even if it means letting go of the #1 run defense in the league. What Snacks should do is take 4.5M a season with incentives. Doesn't have to be sack #s, but maybe percentage of snaps played. We definitely need to retain one of the 2, but I can see it now a year down the road we are paying Snacks 7M a season to sit on the bench on 3rd down, I can't imagine a lot of us being happy with that. I think having Wilk, Sheldon and Leonard in on a 4 man front will help ease the loss of Snacks. Jets are high on Deon Simon, the young NT for the 3-4 base. Once Sheldon's contract is up we'll cross that bridge but we aren't there yet.
Why the hell should he take $4.5 million with incentives? he should take the best contract a team will give him. He's earned it. The guy has played for peanuts for this team for years its time for him to get paid what he's worth. If the Jets don't wanna pay that then that's their decision. That idiot Idzik should've locked him up long term at that price or lower when he could've back in 2013/2014 ish and we wouldn't even be in this position with him. Instead this organization kicked the can down the road with him while giving that extension to an average player like Jeremy Kerley. Hindsight is 20/20 but it's Harrison turn to make his money. by the way- the best way to increase pass rush productivity is to put teams in more difficult passing situations. I'm not sure letting him walk helps with that. But like I said I wouldn't hate them if they did let him walk
Hey, I am just comparing him to other players that do around the same thing. OK 4.5 is a low-ball deal obviously, but I wouldn't touch 7M. Even 6 kind of bothers me for a 2 down player. At the end of the day it's the Jets decision. To be honest, the Jets FO did this to themselves. They should've taken care of their own last off-season. Instead they threw 70M at Revis [Thanks Woody]. Can't say I agreed with that decision. Snacks earned his cash, but I hope the Jets don't break the bank for him. Send his ass to Cleveland for a 2nd rounder.
Snacks is an amazing asset. He's the kind of player that is invaluable when you're trying to build a defense from scratch. He would be a perfect to fast, rangy middle linebackers. Unfortunately, he does nothing to mask our slow, run-stuffing linebackers, he just takes work away from them. Still, I would love to keep him on a team-friendly deal, but it doesn't look like that's possible. I'd love for us to pick up some ILBs who can cover guys across the middle and blitz more....but those guys aren't easy to come by either. I think the way he plays is fantastic, but we can't pay him to play the way Kris Jenkins used to play when healthy, because he isn't that guy.
Yep exactly. Wilfork also has 3 2nd team All-Pro's to his name and 1 first team All-Pro. He also actually has a career sack and despite not being this amazing pass rusher he's played in passing downs throughout his career because he can push the pocket. He needed to be blocked with 2 guys on passing downs or he would destroy a quarterbacks space to work. Belichick wouldn't sign a player to a sizeable deal if they could only play one aspect of defense. Wilfork might have an outside chance of making it to the Hall of Fame. The comparison at this point is an insult.
Simply just cannot compare the two indeed. 4.5M is actually within the pay-rate of NTs similar to Damon Harrison. Jets get under 35M under the cap or so which is absolutely do-able, I think they can bring back Mo, Fitz, Snacks AND Powell. It can be done, Mac will need to do some major work. Which is expected after last off-season.
I'd love to see the Jets be able to get $35 milllion under the cap and be able to re-sign Mo, Snacks and Powell, but I don't see any way that happens. I think you're dreaming, my friend. Again, I could be wrong, and hope I am, but I don't see any way that Mac would be able to get the team that far under the cap without totally screwing the cap in future years, or cutting a lot of players and filling the roster with UDFAs and street FAs.
I'm no cap guru, but I think here's how it can happen. 30 is achievable and can happen. Getting 5M more will help out with any other signings. Cut Cro, Kerley, Breno, Cumberland, and fixing Brick's contract can get us 30M with the included cap increase. 5M dare I say touch Mangold's contract and we should be close to that figure.
I don't see how we can possibly cut Breno. That would mean the Jets have to find both a starting RT and a backup LT this off season, and if Brick refused to take a pay cut and the Jets had to cut him, they'd have to replace 3 OTs. Do you realize how crazy that is? It would be impossible. They'd have rookies starting or have to use up all their cap space to sign FA OTs. I don't see how they could even approach Mangold about taking a pay cut. If they convert salary to bonus, they'd reduce his cap hit this year, but increase it in subsequent years. But for argument's sake, let's say they did, so the Jets have the $35 million cap space with which to work. Conservatively (I know you'll probably disagree), figure Mo's contract at $14.5 million, Powell's at $2.5 and Snacks at $6 million. That's $23 million of that $35 million. Add in $9 million for the draft picks, and that brings us to $32 million. That only leaves $3 million. They're negotiating with Erin Henderson now, and a big chunk of that $3 million could be gone. It would mean that we couldn't re-sign Fitz. It would mean that the Jets would not be able to re-sign any of their other FAs including players that they possibly would like to retain such as Antonio Allen, Leger Douzable, or Jaiquawn Jarret. It would probably mean that we couldn't make an offer to either of our RFAs Kenbrell Thompkins and Zach Sudfeld. It would mean that no outside FAs could be signed. It would mean that we wouldn't have much emergency cap space for the upcoming season. It would mean that more than likely, the Jets would be forced to draft a punter as Quigley wouldn't be re-signed. It would mean that we were back to Geno starting with Petty backing him up. Now the Jets could possibly get a little more cap space by cutting Tommy Bohannon ($675k), Zac Stacy ($675k) and a few other bottom of the roster players who are making the same amount or less. By doing that, we could gain another $2-3 million, but those players would have to be replaced with UDFAs, and would just mean more players that have to be replaced. As it is, unless some of the PS squad players step up, the Jets would have to replace players at the following positions: RBs - 2 (at a minimum, and maybe 3 to replace Ivory, Ridley and Bohannon) OT - 2 (to replace Giacomini, Ijalana), and possibly 3 if they cut Brick if he refuses to take a pay cut OG - 1 to replace Willie Colon (unless Harrison can step up) WR - 2 to replace Owusu and Thompkins TE - 2 (at least 2 and possibly 3 to replaec Cumberland, Davis and Sudfeld) QB - 0 would have to go with 2 QBs DE - 2 to replace Leger Douzable and Stephen Bowen CB - 2 to replace Antonio Cromartie and Darren Walls OLB - 1 to replace Pace ILB - 1 to replace Demario Davis (assuming Taiwan Jones takes Jamari Lattimore's place) S - 0 Antonio Allen and Jaiquawn Jarrett would be replaced by Dion Bailey and P - 1 to replace Quigley That's 16 players the Jets would have to replace on their roster with only 6 draft picks and no money left to sign FAs. I'm sorry, but tell me it's possible to re-sign Mo and Snacks again.
Dude, Breno is AWFUL. What the Jets need to do is find a tackle in the draft that can play RT the first few years then transition over to LT. Think Lane Johnson from the Eagles. This is a top priority in the draft. Remember, Brick isn't really taking a paycut, the Jets would be taking his base salary and converting it to a bonus. This will severly lower the cap hit, and he'll get a nice little bonus on the side for restructing the contract. Mangold, essentially the same exact thing could happen, but I wouldn't really touch his contract right now. Brick's contract is the more important issue right now. If the Jets were to cut Brick outright, the cap space would increase even more - which also opens holes on that specific position. I see the numbers you put down and I am not resigning Snacks for 6M a season. Make that 5M, and you got an extra million. Henderson won't cost much, prob vet min to start off with maybe some incentives. Ridley will also be off the books and won't be resigned. Kenbrell Thompkins, Sudfeld aren't special. You make some choices between the safeties and this is absolutely doable. Willie Colon isn't coming back, Douzable might be gone, but Bowen was good and so was that other kid that got put on the IR, they won't cost hardly anything. My point however is this is absolutely doable, again I am no cap guru, but the calculations I made before puts us slightly under the cap or right at the hair of going over. I think it can be done, but will it? I don't know. The Jets could also touch Revis's contract, that in itself is very dangerous, but if the Jets think Revis can play FS like Charles Woodson, it could be worth it. The Steelers, Saints and Patriots have been doing this for YEARS now, you can't say it can't be done. Those teams have highly expensive QBs. Especially the Saints who had Brees under 100M contract and still sign big time FAs
Cutting Breno just seems ballsy with no one on the roster with NFL starting experience. It's almost the type of thing where you need to replace him before you can cut him. He's bad but he's better than a Wayne Hunter type of player that this franchise has banked on stepping in and not missing a beat.
I say we see what Brent Qvale has to offer. Went from the practice squad to the active roster in one year. 6'7 315. Can it be THAT bad of a downgrade? He's no Wayne Hunter no doubt, but Breno does nothing good or even average.
That's unfair. He's excellent at getting flagged for unnecessary roughness. What's the actual cap savings on cutting him though? I thought his contract is lined up so his big pay day is next year. I could be wrong.
Hahah - him and Willie Colon were the baddest mofos on any right side of an offensive line. 3.875 million saved if he's cut. A decent amount, that could go a long way though. It's a dangerous decision to make, that's the unfortunate thing of having the draft after FA. It would be nice for the Jets to pick up a blue chip offensive lineman in the draft. I think it's unrealistic to sign both Mo and Snacks, but I don't think it's impossible like everyone else is saying. Snacks and Mo may need to work together to stay in the same uni
Cutting Breno is a good idea but there is no one and I mean no one on our roster that can be trusted with the starting RT job. If we cut Breno we need to sign a RT in free agency (Bobby Massie from Arizona or the Brown's free agent RT would be good) even if we spend a little more than we save.
I don't disagree that Breno is awful. That's not the point. Sometimes you're forced to deal with the hand that is dealt to you for a while. It's supposedly not a good draft for OTs. If true, this isn't the draft to go looking for your future LT or RT, much less both. There are only 2 OTs who are rated very highly, and both are slated to be top 10 picks on most media boards. I think that's more a product of the desperate need that NFL teams have more so than it being a product of their being such great prospects. If you compared them with some of the top OTs in the NFL, I'm not sure how they'd stack up. I wouldn't hold my breath on the Jets even finding Giacomini's replacement, much less one that can play RT for a year or two and then replace Brick. As far as Brick goes, there's no way they should do anything with him other than cut his pay if he'll accept it. He's not worth anywhere near what he's making. His cap number for this season is $14,107,000. If they cut him, they'd save $9,093,000 but probably wouldn't be able to replace him unless they trade for Joe Thomas. Next season, Brick has a cap hit of $14,307,000 ($11,275,000 salary, $1,282,000 prorated, $1 million roster bonus and $750k workout bonus), but if they cut him prior to June 1, they'll save $13,025,000. Thus, I think this will be his last year with the team. They can cut him after the season and save a huge chunk on the cap next year. There's no way any additional money should be paid to get him to restructure, and no money should be kicked down the road to next year's cap or the year after. That's something Tanny would do. In other words, it would be stupid. If the Jets cut Giacomini, they're taking a big risk and putting a lot of pressure on themselves to find anyone better. If they cut Brick, they've probably screwed the 2016 season, unless they traded for Joe Thomas or another team's starting LT, and in which case, they'd probably screwed the draft. If they cut both, then Mac is probably insane. Henderson made $745k last season to be a backup. I'm not sure if that's vet minimum or not. He made that little because of substance abuse issues and DWI convictions. It was a one-year "show me" deal. He's proven that he can stay out of trouble and can still play at a high level. In all likelihood, he's not going to accept that to be the starter. Get real. Your saying he will sign for less doesn't make it so. Quit deflecting by trying to focus on insignificant points. I never said that Thompkins and/or Sudfeld are that special, but they will have to be replaced. I've shown you how many players the Jets will lose, and how few draft picks and how little realistic cap space with which they're going to be able to work. There's only so much Mac can realistically do without causing cap problems down the road. Now is the time to get both the roster and the cap sorted out without creating cap problems or holes on the team down the road. Revis' contract can't be touched. Do some actual research into the facts. His $17 million for this season is fully guaranteed. If they cut him, they'd incur an additional $8 million in cap charges, for a total of $25 million. They can cut him after the 2016 season and save $7,333,333 on the cap. His base salary is $13 million (of which $6 million is guaranteed), he has a $2 million roster bonus, and $333,333 is prorated. I think you're wrong. I've shown you the facts and figures. You're just claiming it can be done without offering any practical and sensible ways it can be done that won't hurt the Jets cap down the road. If the rumor is true that he turned down $5 million per seasons last year, Snacks isn't going to sign for less than $6 million per season unless he gets a lot of guaranteed money and/or incentives that would raise the level higher. You can't compare our situation to the Steelers, Saints or Patriots. The Steelers routinely let older vets go, they don't pay them. They're on a downturn after having been at or near the top. The Saints have been in cap hell that's why they let Graham go. They're also on the downturn and are looking for Brees eventual replacement. As far as the Pats go, look at the dregs for WRs Brady has had to throw to aside from Edelman and Amendola. Look at their terrible situation at RB, and this year it even bit them in the ass with their OL depth.
