Guys can improve in practice every week and in the chances they get with injuries or backup snaps Rebuilding is overrated in the NFL.....Things can change around really quickly from year to year Even though it's not a popular opinion I still think we would have been in the same spot with Geno. We would have beaten the Browns, Colts, Redskins, Jaguars, and Dolphins either way with the way our defense and/or running game dominated in these games. Fitz has been solid but he hasn't been able to guide us to a win over any average or above teams. Would we have been better with Geno at this point? I have no idea but I doubt we would have been much worse, if at all
I think you have a point. I've never been a fan of bringing in veterans to just be competitive. I've preferred to go with the youngsters, let them take their lumps and learn. The problem is that Mac literally could NOT take that approach this year. Why? Because he HAD to spend most of the cap on FAs because Idzik hadn't used the money. As I stated in another post in another thread, Mac couldn't have spent as much as he had to by signing a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier FAs just to function as depth. He had to sign starting quality players. Do you think it would have set well with Woody or the fan base if Mac had signed starting quality FAs, and then had them sit on the bench just in order to start youngsters? No, that couldn't have happened. I'm sure also that Mac and Bowles didn't want the team to go 4-12 in their rookie seasons and have that on their record. They weren't about to go with the kids, be satisfied with 4-12 because they knew it would give them great draft position with which to address additional holes on the roster. That's the other issue you didn't mention. By striving to be competitive this year, it will have an adverse impact on their draft position next year. While it may be easier to turn around a team from a 4-12 record than it is one that was 8-8, the Jets' culture needed to be changed. Pride and an attitude of winning needed to be established. Whereas the point could be made that with better draft position, they could potentially have a better chance to get the players they need (including possibly a QB) that would enable them to get to the next level sooner, that's not the hand they were dealt, and we'll just have to hope that things will work out the way they are..
It does work, and it has quite often in the past. I think if you look at teams with the quickest turnaround from one year to the next, it's most often been because of the great drafts they've had for a the previous year or two. It's not the only way to turn around a team, however. In the not too distant past in the NFL, rookies rarely started on many, if not most teams. They sat and learned behind veterans.
Fact: In year one Geno Smith was running out the back of the end zone for a safety. In year three he's merely running out of bounds for a sack. That's improvement baby!
You need a nice mix of both vets & younger guys to build a team. The vets contribute more then just on field production, or so you'd hope. You can't improve ever position in a year so you have to have some hold the fort guys until you're able to get better either through the draft or FA. Geno was in this teams plans at the beginning of the season until circumstances dictated the change. We were winning with RF so why would Mac or Bowles make a change.
This team doesn't really have a personnel problem, it has a coaching problem. With the talent on this team and our soft schedule we should be 7-2, possibly 8-1 right now. Bowles has easily cost us 2-3 games this year, he's been a very below average coach. I only give him the nod over garbage like Pettine and Pagano because he at least doesn't trash his players in the media.
We found out Bowles is not BB lol Gailey has more experience so you would expect more football knowledgr from him..sometimes hes too aggressive or stays too conservative. His 4th down calls are killing me I think Mac and Woody cant fail to see this
why does bowles get so much praise anyways? guys like parcells, arians, etc. love this guy and think he's the second coming. what exactly made bowles so good in arizona? I don't think he's nearly the defensive genius people make him out to be; all he does his blitz a lot - any DC can do that. he clearly demonstrates zero command over offensive play-calling, or at the very least is apathetic to it, which is even worse. he hasn't made any adjustments to the special teams which have been consistently horrible every game this season. i don't expect him to become bill walsh in his rookie season, but at the very least he should be flashing signs of being an elite coach, given all the praise he's received from these guys. so far, I see a guy who has no energy and seemingly no command or understanding of how to run a football team. hopefully it will change for our sake, but that's my $0.02.
You lost me when you started advocating for geno. He is not an NFL caliber QB regardless of his physical tools. I'm glad the coaching staff isn't feeling compelled to play a QB with a birds nest for a brain just because he's a young 2nd round pick. I wish him luck on another team next year.
I think there is a ton of value in stating a guy like Fitz when you're trying to establish a new offense. Let him call the plays and put the ball where it's supposed to so the rest of the offensive players can learn how everything is supposed to work. Trying to learn a new offense with Geno under center would just make everyone suck because they'd never see what was actually supposed to happen. If that's how we're putting this together, though, why did we hire ancient Chan Gailey, who can't be around all that long? I mean, that guy has to be nearly as old as Calvin Pace.
i love our young core on defense. Sheldon Mo and Leo up front.. Mauldin, Riley, (drafted LB & FA i'd assume in the future), Skrine Milliner Mcdougle Marcus Williams Pryor, Gilchrist, Miles, AA..solid secondary for the future IMO, they'll get better with time and under Todd Bowles. Offense: Broadway Bryce. Nuff said.
Lol some of you act like if you spend less money in free agency you get more first round draft picks.
I don't mind the approach of this past offseason but I am very, very concerned about QB going forward. Fitz played well enough for us to give him this season, which is fine because we are alive for a playoff berth, but the position is stagnated. I believe this season is the absolute best we will ever see from Fitz. Right now, the two closest comparables to his season are Kirk Cousins and Ryan Tannehill. So the absolute ceiling of our QB is probably those guys. I think we need to reboot at QB barring a miraculous playoff run. I'm not sure what that entails. Trying Geno again next season? Turning team over to Petty? Making a splash trade (RG3, Kaep, etc.)? I can't give Fitz 2016 though. I'd rather tank and go 3-13 than have another treadmill season. You would say that certain AFC teams, even though their records are worse than us, have the needle pointing up because of young, promising QBs (Raiders, Jags). You would not say our needle is pointing up, I don't see how it can be given the QB position. We find ourselves in a similar boat to a team like the Chiefs, just treading water and hoping our limited QB can find some magic.
At some point, either the NFL itself, the team owners, or the fans is going to get fed up with the rules that are in place-- you know, the "Elite QB or bust" rules. It is my personal belief, as a long-suffering Jets fan, that the year we finally get a great QB will be the same year the rules are changed. How they'll change is an unknown--maybe roll back the Mel Blount Rule, maybe put the O-line back to closed-hand blocking-- but however they change, they'll make it useless for the Jets to finally have an elite QB.
Revis money is guaranteed only for next season. so we could re-sign Mo, pay them both for one season, and then reevaluate whether to retain Revis. considering we don't have a QB on the horizon, that is more than doable. i don't believe the 2 players are mutually exclusive. the real concern with Mo is whether he is asking for over market value. if he does want over 16M per year, he may price himself out and force our hand, independent of the Revis deal.
