Marshall dropping that ball is unacceptable. We probably win if he hauls that in kicking a field goal from the 2, punting on 4th and a blade of grass and punting when we all knew they would score a back breaking TD was pathetic Thats all I have to say. Makes me wanna puke
Agreed....you need to play the Pats differently....Why does everyone think they can rely on their defense against this team? As in, you can't settle before halftime, you can't punt away when it's 4th and short, you can't kick field goals on 4th and short, you can't sit back in 3rd and long, you can't punt it away late in the 4th quarter and expect to get a stop when down by 3 Overall they played OK but not nearly good enough...coaching philosphy was typical of a defensive coach...It doesn't work in Foxboro and never will!
The playcalling right before the half was absolutely playing not to lose. That drove me crazy. And I saw people here saying it was smart because it prevented the Pats from scoring more before the half. What?? How about we show some sack and attempt to actually score some points before the half?
Same here....I said it to everyone I was with watching the game. We've seen this movie before You can't throw a low percentage bomb on 3rd down with no intention to go for it on 4th Down to the Pats in the 4th is automatic 4 down territory IMO especially there
And conversely, the Pats go right for the throat. Was there any doubt that they would march down the field on that final drive with five or six minutes left? 90% of NFL teams run the ball there with the lead, then punt back to the other team. Not the Pats. They keep attacking and they fucking WIN. Imagine that.
I don't understand this ever. When it's 4th and like a foot or less, you have a super high chance of converting it. Go for it. There is no reward for being conservative.
Factor in the Marshall drop and that's why we lost. I would expect that fact to be lost on some folks.
Yeah, they should have gone for it there. QB sneak it in there. If you can't convert a 4th and like a foot less, then you deserve to turn it over on downs anyway.
I think it's true that at times Bowles played it a bit too conservative. I think not calling a time out after the two minute warning was a bad play, and running out the clock at the half could be debated also. We also had only four penalties for less than 30 yards, no delay of game penalties no personal foul/unsportsmanlike calls and one successful challenge Todd Bowles is a rookie head coach, going up against arguably the best head coach since Lomabardi in their house. We're there mistakes? Yes, but Jesus cut him a little slack. I get there are no moral victories, but some losses are better than others. We could be the Bills. Let's see how they respond in a game out west that is going to be tougher than many think. I think this team got it right with Bowles.
X 100! When will these Jet coaches learn that you need to approach the Patriots completely different from every other team? Personally, unless it's the last play of the game, I would NEVER kick a FG against them from inside the 5 yard line. It's a recipe for a sure loss. You can't beat this team by scoring 23 points and playing good defense. The strategy doesn't work. Not with these idiotic passing rules in place, and Tom Brady plying QB. If you want to win, you better find a way to put up 30 points ... And that means there's going to be spots where you absolutely need to coach with some balls.
Exactly man....The way we played today we would have beat 95% of teams out there but it's not the right approach against the Pats....I mean shit we got them in 3rd and long plenty but they still convert when push comes to shove ...against the best pass D in the league I don't need to play a close game to feel validated here...We already know the Jets are a good team and this loss hurts a lot any way you slice it We can hopefully take them out at our place but I would hope that Bowles realizes that the Pats are a different animal...The Packers are the only other team I would also use this philosphy with....4th and anything close you go, and any possession you can score more points, you go all out
The Jets kicked the short FG with the Pats up 3-0. Any coach will take that FG to tie the game and break the goose egg. It's too easy for that 3 points to be the difference in the game later on if you don't score. I completely agree on the 4th and inches. Jets had to go for it there. The 4th and 6 is a coin-flip and I don't know what you do in that situation. There's too much time left on the clock to think you won't get another possession and you're not going to run the clock down scoring on the possession. Bowles went with his defense and I think it's a coin-flip call and his prerogative to do that.
1. Your first point about the field goal.....It's not a bad call but it's not the right one in Foxboro. More than likely the possible TD you leave on the board will come back to hurt you more times than the field goal opportunity. Just because any coach would do something doesn't make it the right call.....Teams generally kick/punt way too much on 4th down, there have been many studies that all come to this conclusion. 2. 4th and 6 is not a coin flip in this situation and we saw why.....When it comes down to it, the Pats are masters when they are in control of a lead on offense late in games. The best defense in the league got schooled. I look at it as a no brainer there, because we need to stop the Pats offense if we don't convert anyway, just with an extra 20 yards or so. Again, if it's against an average offense I would punt and trust my defense to be able to get a damn stop in 6 minutes, but the Pats just own these situations. We should have had 4 downs in mind from the beginning of that drive as the 3rd down call (bomb to Smith that never works) was horrible if we planned on punting on 4th If it were up to me I would basically play any Patriots game as a 4 down offense except for obvious times like 4th and long backed up in your own endzone......Would never kick field goals unless it was the only option.....It takes a near perfect game to beat them conventionally in their house as their offense is basically impossible to stop when the game is on the line
4th and 6, punting was the right call. Especially since they had 3 timeouts, the 2 minute warning, and enough clock time remaining. 4th and inches? Yeah, you go for it in that situation 10 times out of 10. Bowles made a very bad call there.
