For all the Geno/Fitzpatrick talk ... the decision of if and when to insert Geno revolves around making an educated front office QB decision this offseason. Thought process Fitzpatrick through 3 games is exactly who we thought he was. He's met all expectations - positive and negative. He'll manage a game and won't be the root cause for a win or loss. MaCagnan signed the best available QB option in the 2015 offseason. It was slim pickings and this position has always been the visible elephant in the room for us. Geno, without a strong OL and a legit #1 WR, has proven to be a mess in his first few years Geno - as a 3rd year player - still has potential. We don't know what he'll look like with a better supporting cast. We also don't know what progress was made between years 2 and 3. Before we invest a #1 pick or make trades / FA signings, the FO needs to know what Geno is made of, now that he has a legit team around him. At some point, unless the team goes on another run where it all comes together (offense and defense), Geno will get the ball. Likely, with an inevitable Fitzpatrick injury, but barring a big run, the future of this franchise requires the FO evaluating Geno. Conclusion: Stick with Fitzpatrick ... for now. Another loss like today - even if it's not Fitzpatrick's fault - and we need to stick Geno in there. Not because of the impact on our 2015 record, but because the front office needs to figure out what to do with the QB situation long term.
The only reason I wouldn't go with Geno is cause that dumbass managed to antagonize people in his own locker room for a measely 600. What a fucking fool. Other than that, he should start. We need to see what he's capable of. I don't want him as my QB next year, but we might be able to get something for him if he's serviceable.
So your saying if we go 2-2 its time to tank to evaluate Geno?wtf?Who gives a shit about the 2016 offseason its week 3.But let's not forget Geno was the starter before he got punched ....the coaching staff already evaluated Geno if he was named the starter
Yes, another loss that happens because the offense can not play from behind, and we need to see what we have. Goal is winning a super bowl. If Fitzpatrick needs 8 minutes to drive downfield when massive urgency exists, and he simply turns into a Geno-like disaster when he needs to throw downfield ... then we ain't winning a superbowl with him. At some point we need to figure out whether Geno will realize his potential. Otherwise, the FO will be making un-informed decisions. And this FO has proven too smart not to do this.
Jeez. We are already talking 2016?! All I know is we have three quarterbacks and I'm pretty sure all three blow....
For me it isn't an all or nothing commitment to either, they both stink and no matter how mediocre Fitz is I know Geno will be so much worse. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy with Fitz or content that's he's our option for the foreseeable future. When he blows and loses games like he did today then I can say the guy sucks and we'll go nowhere with him. But that isn't a ringing endorsement for Geno.
Pretty much agree with this post....I know most Jet fans love to hate Geno but he had some games late last season that Fitz just cannot give us Fitz is great and all when we cause a turnover every other drive and Ivory is rumbling down the field...but when we actually need him to take over and make plays, well we know the result...atleast Geno has the physical tools to make big plays in this league, and Id rather see if he was able to improve in the other areas
Geno and Fitz are both total trash, I'll watch the Jets on TV but I'm not paying any more money to go to games to watch this shit until we get a legit franchise top 10 QB. The NFL has setup this league so it's basically impossible to compete without a top 10 QB. The PI call on the Jets today that was basically perfect coverage shows how committed the NFL is to making this league pass friendly, yet year to year we're ground and pound with garbage behind center. When this team can give us a product worth paying hundreds for I'll shell out again, but to watch Fitz and Geno back there is torturous.
I agree they're both trash. Fitz is trash that won't lose the game for you. Geno... do I need to remind anyone of the Bills(?) game where he threw 3 interceptions BEFORE HALFTIME? I think he only had one more completion than interceptions, if I remember right. I'm pretty sure I've seen Brooks Bollinger play better. How can you be a Jets fan and want to see that again?
Here's the thing. Geno will lose you the game and win you the game; he's either great or trash. Fitz can't win you the game and even with 3 picks yesterday has a hard time losing you the game. The way this team is constructed, I'll go with the latter and be in every game. Geno is just to volatile in play and personality. Not a leader either
You are right. It blows my mind in the age of the internet, face book, wikipedia, and the countless amount of things in life made to make our life more convenient. and youre willing to pull a guy after going 2-2. At the beginning of the year I had the Jets 2-2 after 4 games. With wins against Cleveland & Miami. People really need to sit the F down, and watch how this plays out. RELAX.
You are correct that the FO has a big decision to make with Geno. He has one year left on his contract and this offseason is the time to negotiate a new deal. If we are unwilling to commit to Geno, we can cut him or keep him around for another year as a backup. Contrary to your suggestion, I think Geno has been evaluated over the course of two seasons, the preseason, and at practice. They have a pretty good idea what Geno is all about, and the off the field stuff is also certainly a factor. He's likely going to get another chance to start or play this season, but I think it comes only if (1) Fitz is terrible for several games: (2) Fitz gets injured; or (3) our playoff chances are over.
To be fair, geno has had some really good games for us. He's shown potential, he has a higher ceiling then fitzpatrick. But he also has had some terrible games and has a much lower basement then fitzpatrick too. You also aren't factoring in bryce petty who we just drafted. he could have a future here as well. fitz was brought in as a "win now" QB who will be more stable then geno/petty, but i'd imagine the jets FO is looking to see what they have in geno and petty before using a high pick on a QB
That was a really tough game because it looked like Geno wanted to be pulled from the game. All 3 picks were fast throws into coverage, like he was just handing the ball to the Bills to get off the field. The reality is that the Jets just don't have a QB right now that most NFL teams would be willing to put on the field. They're going to have fix that in the near future or this regime will fare no better than Tanny did in 2011 and 2012 and Idzik in 2013 and 2014.
I really wish I felt differently...but I've reached the pinnacle of no longer having ANY confidence in the Jets EVER finding a long term QB solution. Even if they found a suitable candidate, the fans & media would never have the patience to let the guy fully develop before shipping him off.We certainly don't have the Patriots luck. A golden boy Maze & bluer who can schmooze his way out of blatant cheating isn't walking into Florham park. And his "Genius" head coach technically already walked out after reading from a crumbled up napkin. F**k it all.
2 of 8 for 5 yards and 3 INTs he also had one against SD when he was 4/12 27 yards and 1 INT but over his final 4 games last year geno was 71/109 65% 1001 yards 9.18YPA 6TDs 2INTs 105.3QB rating In those 4 games we had 2 wins, 1 loss to NE by 1 point, and 1 loss in OT to minn and our CBs and WRs were terrible last year take those numbers over a full season and you get 284/436 65% 4004 yards 9.18YPA 24TDs 8INts 105.3QB rating I think anyone here would take those numbers at QB. over 60% completion, 20+ TDs, less then 10INTs, 3-1TD to INT ratio, 100+ QB rating, 4000+ yards. QB play like that could take this team to the SB with our defense. and we finally have a true #1 WR in marshall. kerly who was our #2 last year, is our number 5 this year. salas, graham, and hakim all played a lot for us and they are all out of the NFL this year. So with that said, geno showed some potential at the end of last year, which was his 2nd year. most QBs don't start playing good until their 3rd year. This would be his 3rd year coming off a hot end of last year. But we are still winning so why bench fitz?
I find myself feeling the same way as I get older and older, but I always remind myself that, as time approaches infinity, everything evens out. Just think of how terrible New England was pre-Parcells. Think of how terrible the Steelers were pre-Noll. As the sampe size of NFL seasons gets infinitely large, every team has its time to shine, every team has its time to be painfully inconsistent, and every team has its time to be a laughingstock. Eventually, IF humanity survives long enough (LOL), the Jets will find a young stud at QB and become a perennial winner/contending team. Of course, it is very possible that no one on this message board will be alive to see it.
I think we are probably going to be stuck with Geno for the rest of the season. If Suh doesn't go through Winters like sh_t through a goose I'm London, it will be a miracle....
