Perhaps. Between expectations of improvement and development seemingly falling flat (although its still early), I may have jumped the gun. That said, the title shall be a constant reminder to not get ahead of ourselves collectively when it comes to prospects and the draft.
Cook looks amazing out there today, great touch on his throws. Very good against the blitz. UCLA - BYU tonight
Haven't been able to catch Cook today, but Goff's on at 7:00 P.M EST against Texas. I'm excited to see if he can build on his past performances... he's one of the few spread or air raid quarterbacks who can consistently throw with anticipation and not melt when moved off his spot. His arm's not great, but it's certainly better than what I saw last season and he now has full control at the line of scrimmage.
Jared Goff is unbelievable, really looking forward to watching him today. The only 2 QB prospects that I've really liked since Luck were Bridgewater and Mariota, and I'll go on record saying that I absolutely love Goff. His footwork in the pocket reminds me a lot of Peyton Manning. Constant foot movement, drifts around pressure, great sense for the rush. He's deadly accurate and seems to have more arm stength this year than I remember from last. He runs a spread system but he has to make tons of reads, much like Mariota did. Goes through progressions quickly and resets his feet each time. Good thrower on the run and when pressured. It's a shame we'll be picking in the middle of the first round this year because this kid is going to be a slam dunk pick for some team near the top.
On the other hand Cook hasn't impressed me at all, Cardale just met the pine in favor for Barrett and it's impossible to evaluate Hack with that play calling and o-line. It's not the 'year of the QB' but there's 1 who'll start for a decade.
Hopefully today will quiet down the absurd notion that Cardale Jones is a first round pick. 3 games last season with a star studded team proves nothing. He's got a cannon for an arm but needs a lot of work to be a first rounder.
I think Cook is a solid prospect who you take in mid round 2 or so; I was really hoping Cardale would emerge. He wasn't necessarily great in those three games, but he impressed in some areas for a guy who had received limited reps throughout the year. But he makes entirely too many mistakes and his good doesn't outweigh the negatives. agree with you when it comes to Goff. His velocity has improved which has answered one of my questions and his offense isn't as simple as I thought it was. In a loaded class, I'm hoping Goff falls (or gets bridgewater'd) if he declares and keeps up his solid play.
Twenty four yard pass was behind receiver, but the process by Giff standing in a compressed pocket, composed, is amazing.
Cook will go middle of round 1. Barring a collapse he's a first rounder. Cook today looked like the best QB in college football. Cardale ain't look so hot today. Devin Smith was a difference maker. Glad we have him.
At this point, Goff looks like he's the consensus #1 QB. Really impressed with his accuracy and composure. No gimmicks, just plays the position really well. A decent athlete too. Cook can make nfl throws but he's too inconsistent. If Goff keeps it up, he's going #1 overall. Cook will be top 12.
There's a lot to like physically about Chad Kelly. He's athletic and has a gun; he throws one of the best deep balls I've seen in a while. At this stage of his development he already shown me the ability to go through his progressions as well as manipulate safeties with his eyes. Word on the street is that he is also very good at film study. Aside from the history of insubordination at Clemson, the only real issue I have with him on the field is his footwork or complete lack there of. The contrast between he and Mariota is the perfect example of why taking all your snaps from shotgun has nothing to do with having good and bad footwork, a point me and several others futilely tried to make to 101GangGreen101 last year. Kelly is all arm on his throws as he stands flat footed in the pocket compared to Mariota who frequently displayed great feet for those who cared to look despite taking almost all his snaps from shotgun. Side note Robert Nkemdiche is a problem. If Mo and Sheldon had a baby he would look and play like Nkemdiche.
Actually, it has a lot to do with it STILL especially when you are under pressure. Have you seen Mariota under pressure at the NFL level? No, you really haven't, have you seen Mariota under pressure taking snaps under center? No, I don't think you have. How does 1 make such an asinine statement after 1 game lol with little to no proof. It's like someone wants to throw shots at me despite me being right. Look at Geno Smith who looks awful under center - Bryce Petty actually looks better than Geno Smith under center so don't say it's not a big deal when it is. Anyways Chad Kelly has a really nice arm! That was the first time I saw him play - will need to catch more.
He doesn't look nearly the same w/out Devin Smith. Speaks volume about how good Devin Smith is! Jones was overrated from the start.
He has taken snaps under center in the face of pressure; you can dislike his accuracy or the offense he came from or whatever, but the under center thing isn't a problem. It's only a problem if a QB is incapable of doing it, but very few professional Quarterbacks have that problem and when Mariota inevitably struggles in his rookie reason, the flaw won't be his inability to take snaps from under center. It's similar to a QB throwing off his back foot. .. you'd like to clean that up, but it is not going to make or break that guy.
Goff's another QB who displays great footwork from the gun. And his footwork is signficantly better than Mariota's IMO. Heck, Hackenberg has terrible footwork, but he can snaps under center just fine; it really doesn't matter. Not being able to takes under center, isn't the r3ason why Geno has struggled in his career this far.
Tom Brady had slow feet at Michigan. It's one of the main reasons he lasted until the 6th round. Now he's learned how to make 2 steps count and he's one of the greatest of all time.
He hasn't in the NFL yet at this stage. Go back watch the Bucs game. There will be plenty of reasons why he could struggle. Mariota's got potential, I don't know why people think I hate him as a player. I just said, I wouldn't have traded up for him under any circumstance. I am just saying footwork is everything and that includes taking snaps under center. It's all about rhythm and effectiveness, so I don't know why certain posters want to discredit that notion.
I see not much has changed in my hiatus; STILL touting Cook as the second coming and STILL trying to marry footwork with taking snaps from under center. At least now it is with the caveat that it can only be measured when "under pressure at the NFL level". If that's the case, there is no reason for scouts to bother assessing a QB prospects footwork since according to you it means nothing. BTW many QBs, even some of the great ones, abandon their fundamentals in the face of pressure that doesn't mean they lack those fundamentals. Also what statement am I making after 1 game? This is a position I've held and have been debating with you for quite some time. Nothing that happens with Mariota good or bad will change my position that Mariota has and has always displayed great feet in the pocket despite taking most of his snaps from shotgun and the greater position that having good feet or footwork has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with taking snaps under center.
