A good financial situation is lots of cap space and few holes to fill (this is what happens when you have good young players that you found in the draft). Idzick left lots of cap space but huge holes at #1 CB, #2 CB, #1 WR, QB, DE (for at least four games), OG, #3 WR, nickel corner, etc. There are reasons that our new GM used up a lot of cap space this year.
IMO you spend the cap on depth and not single superstars. Who often don't live up to their contracts. To me Idzik had a longer term plan and 2014 wasn't the year he wanted to spend the bulk of that cap money. He did spend it when he had a chance to like with Decker and Percy Harvin. And tried to sign Vontae Davis. If he had signed with the Jets instead of the Colts much of the criticism by some fans would have been null and void since the majority was on cornerbacks and via (indirectly) Rex and his fan base. The thing in signing a star player is there is competition and your odds of getting a guy like Davis are not high esp when his current team offers him a good deal. If Idzik hadn't of been fired he'd of had to spend more of the money in 2015 just by NFL rules. btw he did sign a pretty good OL in Breno. A Qb in Mike Vick (who most people thought was the best available Qb free agent). This year Mac hasn't signed a tight end and seems to be going into the season not strong at that position. Because like with Idzik he's been hit with a season ending injury. Now is Mac if his team is 4-12 going to be killed by Jets fans for not signing a good vet TE. Already you're hearing some rumblings.
^ and that's why Idzik doesn't have a job, he figured a 50 year plan was fine for a team that hadn't won a SB in 50 years...he just didn't get it in anything he did.
Not a 50 year plan a three to five year plan which is standard in rebuilding organizations. 2 years is a joke. But anyways it looks like we have a good and popular (at present-that could change very fast considering the fan base here) GM who can do a good job if given a chance. Already before he was selected by Woody he was ripped apart by Mehta.
Rex got fired because he did a terrible job of coaching last year and when you've missed the playoffs 3 years in a row and then have your worst year you get fired. Hell, most coaches don't get to miss the playoffs 3 years in a row and then come back for year 4.
he doesn't get credit for 'trying' to sign Vontae Davis. he failed to sign him.... a 9M per year contract we could've easily beat, and it would've been a steal. If anything, Idzik HELPED the Colts sign Davis at a bargain. and Breno was a terrible signing. he downgraded RT it's been a weak link on the line since. and are you fucking serious in applauding the Vick move? you are building a good case AGAINST Idzik, i'll give you that..
Listen, If I am honest with myself I am thankful for the things Idzik did do during his tenure. It was a rough year last year, Idzik did carve this team up, but through that, we've become much stronger. We are setup for success for future seasons as well because of the misery we had to endure first. With that said, I am very happy that Mac is the GM now because we need a GM from here on that can identify talent and bring them in on friendly team oriented deals. Idzik wasn't a guy who was good at evaluations for this team, for what this team needed. What he was good at, he did well, unfortunately for him, what he did well was only useful for the time he was here. The way everything played out, is almost a perfect storm for us. Through the misery, this team is now much stronger, much deeper in depth, and it doesn't look like we are in any danger of cap hell for at least several years down the road, and we have a GM who so far has shown a very good eye for talent and need of talent based on the vision TB has for this team. I really couldn't be happier at this very moment with where we are and where we are seemingly heading. I'm optimistic. So.. Thank you Idzik for what you did do for this team.
I think you're twisting things and that Vontae Davis just wanted to sign with his own team. If Breno's so bad why is he starting and the Oline looks good. He's not Mac's guy and if terrible he could get rid of him. To me firing a GM after two seasons (and the first one the team played over their talent level and improved their won loss record) is minor league. He deserved a third year. But the fan base had a lot to do with firing Idzik. He is not a good communicator. Based on what I've seen Mac and Bowles aren't either. But based on what we're hearing Todd is a guy who gets respect. Not a guy who tries to manufacture it like Rex. But the bottom line is Ws and Ls. If the team loses I don't expect our new head coach to use the media (and even his mother) to put the blame on others.
Yes, but most coaches don't make the AFC championship game two years in a row with the worst starting QB in the league (who is also a rookie).
haha can't defend Idzik so try attacking Rex? weak. btw, Rex was extremely well respected by his players and coaches. the rest of your post is misinformed too. Davis was actively out shopping himself. it's only according to you that Davis was dead set on re-signing with the Colts. he hit the FA market. more money, and Davis would've been here. and 9M per was not a hard offer to outbid considering his talent, our needs, and our resources. it was a no brainer to get that deal done. Idzik failed to do so, and yet you try citing that as something we should credit him on? baffling... Breno can't be cut, too much guaranteed money. he'll be cut next season short of a big turnaround in performance. we need to upgrade OT, and i expect that to be priority 1 this offseason. and yes, firing a GM after only two years should be done when that GM shows utter incompetence and dysfunction. he didn't 'deserve' anything. keeping him wouldve have set this team back many more years.
Are folks still defending that incompetent ass Idzik? And did someone say Mac isn't a good communicator? Holy crap, have you heard the guy speak? He's a natural. _
I disagree. The story I heard was that Davis looked like he was going to sign with us. And then Grigson countered with an improved offer and he accepted it. He wanted to stay in Indy if the money was right. His choice. Same with DRC. But the secondary which was adequate suffered from injuries, rookies and stupidity (Patterson). Look New England cut both starting Cbs Revis and Browner from their Super Bowl team. They don't have multi-million dollar players signed for 2015. It's unnecessary. Of course there's a big difference in coaching between Rex and Belichick. And BB doesn't cry if his team doesn't sign a 10 mil CB instead he coaches up his talent and has great schemes.
I wouldn't say that Rex was respected as much as I would "liked." I'm sure some of the better, more disciplined players didn't care for the lax atmosphere that Rex created and his lack of holding teammates accountable. We may could have signed Davis for more money, but he wasn't worth it. I'm glad he didn't sign. The Colts WAAAAAAAY overpaid him. I agree that in general, people deserve time to prove that they can do their jobs, but in the specific case of Idzik, I completely agree with you. He needed to go. With some people one can just tell in a short period of time whether they're competent or not. Some people can learn and grow on the job, but others show little or no evidence of having that ability to change and grow. Idzik had done a good job of cleaning up the cap and trying to get rid of the circus atmosphere, but he had done a pretty bad job with FA and the draft, and had alieanated a lot of people in the Jets' FO. The major part of his job, and what the Jets needed most of all was someone who was great with scouting and personnel, and that was Idzik's weakest area, where he had had the least experience, and was not working in that area when hired by the Jets.
In general, I agree that first-time GMs and HCs deserve time to prove whether or not they can perform the job at a high level. Every neophyte is going to struggle some and make some mistakes. That said, you can often get a clear cut impression about people and whether they're going to succeed or not. They may struggle with one aspect of their jobs or have an occasional hiccup, but by and large they inspire confidence in their abilities, and at the very least they show that they have the ability to learn and change. In my opinion Idzik did little or nothing to inspire confidence that he would succeed. He had no charisma, and was too methodical and plodding. That's not what one needs in today's NFL. He had the right idea of building through the draft, but for a GM to be ultimately successful with that philosophy he has to be a topnotch talent evaluator or go out and hire one. Idzik wasn't even working in scouting/personnel when hired. He was an administrator and contract negotiator, I believe. He also made little or no changes to a scouting and personnel dept. that had routinely done mediocre jobs with the draft for years. Mac immediately knew that changes needed to be made and he didn't wait or mess around. He jumped right on it. As an example, some of us could tell early on that Herm was not going to ultimately be as successful HC for the Jets, while it took many others years to realize that. He was a cliche machine, but had no answers for problems. I think the Idzik situation is identical. Some of us could see very quickly that Idzik was not going to be the man we needed as GM. You and some others just couldn't see that yet, but I think you would have had he still been here as GM. I don't think we'd have had nearly the success in FA or the draft that we've had, and we wouldn't have the optimism that most of us have entering this season. I don't think we'd have Todd Bowles or Chan Gailey here, either. Other than cleaning up the cap, there's not one area of his job where he excelled.
From today's NY Post: http://nypost.com/2015/09/02/john-idziks-draft-debacle-finding-new-ways-to-debilitate-jets/ John Idzik drafted 12 players in 2014. Half are already off the roster, and two more could be gone when the roster is trimmed to 53 this weekend. Here’s a look: Calvin Pryor, first round The safety had a disappointing rookie season and was benched midway through the year. He is back with the Jets this year, hoping to break out in Todd Bowles’ system. Jace Amaro, second round After struggling to get on the field as a rookie, Amaro will miss the entire season due to shoulder surgery. Dexter McDougle, third round Missed his rookie season with a torn ACL. It looks as if he will be the team’s fourth or fifth cornerback to start the season. Jalen Saunders, fourth round The Jets cut Saunders, a return specialist, last September after the coaching staff soured on him. He was traded this week by the Saints to the Patriots. Shaq Evans, fourth round Evans missed last season with a shoulder injury. He could make the roster as the sixth wide receiver. Dakota Dozier, fourth round Did not play a snap as a rookie. Had a bad preseason this year and likely will be cut. Jeremiah George, fifth round Signed by the Jaguars off the Jets’ practice squad last September. He remains a backup with Jacksonville. Brandon Dixon, sixth round Cut by the Jets after training camp last year. He spent last season with the Buccaneers and is trying to hang on with Tampa Bay. Quincy Enunwa, sixth round Played in one game as a rookie, but has emerged as the favorite to be the Jets’ third receiver to start this year. IK Enemkpali, sixth round Played mostly special teams as a rookie. He threw the punch heard round the world to break Geno Smith’s jaw and was cut last month. Fighting for a roster spot with Rex Ryan’s Bills. Tajh Boyd, sixth round Don’t blame Idzik on this one. Ryan’s pick. He was cut before the season last year and is out of football. Trevor Reilly, seventh round The pleasant surprise of the group. He has become a reliable backup linebacker and special-teams contributor.
Actually Idzik had scouting experience. And was a college player which is a lot more than Tannenbaum was. And not everyone thinks his drafts or free agent and UFA signings were a disaster. And with the Jags where he was promoted to Asst. to the GM his duties include capology, player evaluation and some scouting.
An unmitigated disaster and collosal fuck up. Partly because of who he took but mostly because who he didn't take. The year of the QB and the year of the WR and he came away with neither. _
All the coaches except for Rex went into the 2014 season with just a 1 year contract [2014]. There was nothing guaranteed after the 2014 season, this was a classic setup! Idziks plan was to fire Rex and the whole staff after the season but wound up creating his own exit as well. Everything else has been explained exceptionally well; but this particular butt nugget was never mentioned. They all went into the season knowing they would be canned, not a winning mindset for any team.
