I noticed that the latest 53 man roster prediction for the jets has OLB Reilly being cut and Pace and Babin making the team. I understand it is only a prediction, but how much sense does that make? When Mac/Bowles replaced Rex, I hoped that they would do a better job of mixing in the younger players so that we have some kind of future. Why keep Pace and Babin, both of whom are in their mid-30s? Are they the future of this club? Just about everyone on the jets OL is on the north side of 30 also, save Carpenter. Greybeard Antonio Cromartie is showing his age in camp this year as well . You would think a team that just came off a 4-12 season would at least try to rebuild and cut loose some over the hill vets. The jets badly need an infusion of youth on the OL and OLB. Pace and Babin are this year's version of Bryan Thomas-a guy the jets could never say goodbye to despite minimal production. Good times like the Pats move on when the vets have served their use (Seymour. Mankins, Wilfork. Welker). The jets could take a lesson and start getting younger.
Reilly's been having a great camp and will be hard to cut. Bowles has said that Babin has been having a good camp. I think Pace is a lock since Bowles said he is the starter. I think he'd have to get hurt or Mauldin and Reilly both just explode for Pace to not make the team. I think Babin will be gone, at least I hope so.
Mauldins the future at OLB .......Rileys a question mark.Either way I can guarntee you this is Pace and Babins last year with the team so hold your breathe
It's nice to get younger, but if a 30+ guy is better on the field, he's the guy. Our roster is not so good that we can play a lesser player at several positions. The Pats move on when the young talent is as good as, or close for a lot less money. They are much better at player development than we have been. Hopefully that will change with the new coaching staff.
I agree with the overall sentiment in getting younger , but I dont think cutting 2 guys that fill a need in one of our biggest weaknesses , to keep a kid who is not a guarantee to be anything special in this league , is a smart idea. I like Reilly though. If he gets cut maybe we can sneak him on the practice squad.
Being younger means we have to draft well and be patient. Those are two things we aren't really good at.
Reilly turns 28 in January. I'd like to keep him, but as far as the NFL goes he's no spring chicken either.
By next Spring the Jet Landscape will be entirely different. After FA and another Draft. Mac knows who keep or let go . I think that at most of your skill positions at QB WR and CB you want a mix of old and young. Of course we prob say goodbye to Geno Can L Williams have a bigger impact right away ? Hope so.
Idzik's picks for those, like me, who couldn't remember them all 2013 1a. Dee Milliner 1b. Sheldon Richardson 2. Geno Smith 3. Brian Winters 5. Oday Oboushi 6. William Campbell 7. Tommy Bohanon 2014 1. Calvin Pryor 2. Jace Amaro 3. Dex McDougie 4a. Jalen Saunders 4b. Shaq Evans 4c. Dakota Dozier 5. Jeremiah George 6a. Brandon Dixon 6b. Quincy Enunwa 6c. IK Enemkpali 6d. Tahj Boyd 7. Trevor Reilly
What talent have they developed? The only good player they have on defense is maybe McCourty and Chandler Jones, and he's just a pass rusher, a really good one but that's about it. The rest is a bunch of guys they rotate in and out and none of them are consistently playing well, none of them are consistently productive, over years. Everybody on that team is basically a rotational guy, outside of Brady & Gronk.
How do you define better? Is Pace better than Mauldin? How? If you give both guys equal amounts of snaps I'd put my hand in the fire that Mauldin would be way more productive. Is he as good against the run? Probably not. Does that make Pace the better player? No. So it's hard to just go by "better". Pace is not a good player. He just does one thing solid which is to stop the run and set the edge. The other part he struggles with, covering and pass rushing. But being that he's solid against the run he will end up starting again, which is fine. Mauldin can come in on passing downs, this year at least. Next year he should take over, or later this year even. I want Babin gone but you can't just get rid of these older guys just for the sake of getting younger. The younger guys have to show you something to take their spot. With Mauldin & IK I thought we had enough to at least get rid of Babin. With IK gone now I don't know if Reilly is good enough to take over for Babin.
Horrible.....out of 19 picks only 1 solid starter in Sheldon....Pryor and Amaro are still works in progress....and Millner is a joke...Bohannon is a decent FB by the way but who gives a shit about fullbacks.And Geno is Geno
Thats extremely unfair to say. They've developed their fair share of young talent. I'd say they are one of the best in the league. Rob Ninkovich was a practice squad guy they developed into a really nice player. 24 sacks the last 3 years for a guy that other teams were practically giving up on his future as a defender and trying to make him their long snapper. They've done a great job developing offensive lineman over the years too. Sebastian Vollmer, a foreigner was relatively new to the game, who was developing as a lineman at college but wasn't invited to the combine. NEs O-line coach saw his potential, they drafted & developed him.... now he's an All-Pro RT, one of the most underrated OL in the league. They did a great job developing Logan Mankins... who played Tackle in college. They converted him to guard and got him to 6 freakin pro bowls. Solder on the left side they've done well with, Nate Kazcur, Matt Light, etc. outstanding work in developing offensive lineman. Julian Edleman was a converted college QB that was slow to develop that they've groomed and maximized his talent. these are just some examples. there are a lot more. btw- That Malcolm Butler kid is going to be their next in-house success story
Aboushi is a solid starter. Not for us right now of course. Enunwa has upside as a starter, Reilly was a good pick. IK is a good pass rusher, not for us of course. Dex can become a starter, Jace can be a huge weapon, Pryor at least IMO will be one of the top safeties in a year or two. Geno can still be a good QB in this league, Sheldon has HOF potential. Dee showed lockdown skills. You can always look at it one way or the other, the truth is somewhere in the middle, lots of "if's". You don't find out 100% until like 3-4-5 years after the draft how those guys turned out. It's impossible to say after a year or two or even three. I love some of the guys Shitzik drafted in terms of skill/talent. The problem with those guys is that they are either morons or injury prone. That's part of who they are as a player, you can't just go by talent.
you lost me at "aboushi is a solid starter" - - the guy is in serious danger of being cut in a few weeks. the rest of that shit is probably just as bad aboushi plays at this team's weakest position. one of the weakest held positions of anywhere in the league. if he was ANY good ,the Jets would be thrilled for him to fill the spot.
I look at it more from a value standpoint. BB has done a tremendous job over the years and over the decades to squeeze the most out of guys who aren't that talented, guys who couldn't make it elsewhere. He finds a way to make use of them, but in a limited way for the most part. The last time the Pats had quality players outside of Brady & Gronk was probably Wilfork in his prime, and Seymour. Guys they developed, so I'm not couting Revis. Chandler is nice, McCourty is a good centerfielder. So from a value standpoint I look at who they drafted and how much talent they have wasted, compared to what they got out of guys who weren't that talented. BB did that better than anybody in the league. You give him an old receiver and he'll squeeze something out of him. You give him Babin, he's gonna do well there. Or some average corner. But if you give him a supremely talented player, it's pretty much a waste of time, that guy is going to end up busting most likely. To completely waste a 1st or 2nd round talent, it's not enough to come up with a Kevin Faulk every 5 years, or a Mike Vrabel, a Brady. I rather hit the jackpot with my 1st round pick instead of getting something out of 2 undrafted free agents in spot duty. Edelman, Wes Welker. Those are good stories, but the Pats have wasted too much elite talent over the years. Especially considering how many early picks they've had the last 10 years. It seems like for a while each year they had at least 2 picks in round 1 and 2-3 in round 2 or something. And they wasted those.
He will be starting for somebody this year if he gets cut, mark that down. And he will be a good player in this league for years to come. I don't judge a player based on whether he gets cut or not, that doesn't mean shit. Aboushi was a good player for us last year under Rex, Chan I guess is looking for more of a mauler which explains the addition of Carps and Colon taking over at RG.
you are ALL over the place dude. you originally say they haven't developed talent, so I give you examples of that and you say yes they have gotten value out of less talented players (which is the APEX of player development BTW) and say they've wasted elite talent..? what elite talents have they wasted by the way? anytime I've seen them with elite talents the guys just dominated this league. Moss, Gronkowski, Brady, Revis, Seymour, Law... if you want to argue they haven't acquired that much elite talent (other than those HOFs above lol), I suppose you can but again that's a completely separate argument that speaks to player acquisition and changes the narrative. hence me saying you are all over the place.
